We’ve all run into an advert which claims to make you thousands every month by working from home, using their strategies/products, but how many people actually make money, other than those who are actually doing to scamming? I stumble across websites with guys lounging on beach chairs on islands claiming to have made millions, what a load of nonsense! I don’t believe it for a single second!
I performed a Google search for ‘work from home’ and was presented with over a hundred pages of results, which at an average of 10 results per page brings us close on 1000 results all about making money online. Multiply this by say 4 or 5 different search engines and you can see how many scamming websites there are on the Internet, and these are the ones which are actually indexed! How many people click into these things, read the persuasive content and end up pay for more information, only to find themselves getting no where? My guess is thousands of people!
“Earn thousands every month from home” ~ krap
“Drive your dream car” ~ krap
“Live the life you always wanted” ~ krap
Each of these websites manages to have a fantastic list of people who have made thousands through them, with pictures and references ~ how much have these people been paid to do this? Isn’t this a sort of fraud?
The part which bugs me most is that there is no way of stopping these things. Making money online with Adsense, for example, or PayPerPost is the real deal – Proper reputable companies with a basis which is worth trusting, anything else is pure scam and too many people don’t realise this.
I often feel that I would like to make a website, where each time I come across one of these scams, I would make a post about it ~ and hopefully many people would reach it and realise that it’s all nonsense. It would be a great source for those looking to make money the easy realiase that you can’t make money the easy way!
I would actually love to talk to someone who has signed up for one of these programs and actually made anything off them and more specifically made money after the first month of signing up, because if I was to do a scam like this, I would make sure those people who sign up make a killing in the first month and then from the second month onwards I would make sure that I cover all costs ten fold, and I’m sure this is exactly what happens! Imagine you sign up for a service and in the first month you make several grand, the chances are that you will tell all your friends about it, so they will sign up and then do the same, each person realising in month 2 that they have been scammed.
This is something I read on the Mail & Guardian website a few months ago about work from home scams being illegal..
Advertisements offering certain work-from-home opportunities are now illegal, said the Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) on Wednesday.
The ASA welcomed the regulation, which was issued by the Department of Trade and Industry.
“The regulation makes various work-from-home ‘opportunities’ illegal. These include opportunities to ‘fill envelopes’ and ‘type labels’ — two scams against which the ASA has issued various rulings,” said the ASA in a statement.
“Consumers are reminded that if they see ads of this type, they can lodge complaints with the ASA on complaint@asasa.org.za or fax 011 781 1616.”
Take action people, when you come across one of these websites, report the people, get these silly scams offline, so people who are actually trying to do things correctly can rank better on search engines and receive more traffic!
PROGRAMS WHICH WORK: With many years of experience, there are some programs which actually do work. I’ve used these two programs to earn money online successfully:
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| Google Adsense is a form of advertising, where you place adverts on your website, which change according to the content you write. For example, if you write about sharks, your visitors will see shark related adverts. Google Adsense pay by cheque, which means you can be anywhere in the world! | |
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| TrafficSynergy – Click here to sign up | |
| TrafficSynergy is similar to Google Adsense, except that you can choose banners to place as well as their sizes and topics. I’ve successfully made a great deal of money using TrafficSynergy! | |
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| OfferForge – Click here to sign up | |
| OfferForge is identical to TrafficSynergy, but has a number of different revenue streams. I’ve been successful in the past using OfferForge! | |
As you can see from the pictures above, I’ve successfully made money with these programs!
I totally agree with you Chris… Nothing but a BIG SCAM…
The only way to make money online working from home would be through paid advertising on blogs, adsense, trafficsynergy, adbrite, Pay Per post, Smorty, etc..
I’ve earned money from all the above :)
I’ll back you up on this one by reposting any scam I come across
What’s most funny and ironic about this whole thing, is if you look at the adsense adverts on this page.. they are all about ‘Working From Home’, guess we’ll have to click them and then report them ;)
Christopher, there’s nothing new about the sort of “work from home†biz ops that populate the internet. If you go back and look at the history of print publishing, you’ll see books and magazines about making money from home were being published back in Victorian times. That’s because there always has been, and always will be, a demand for information on this topic. And of course, many of the work-from-home scams that were common in magazines for decades have merely migrated onto the internet. Stuffing envelopes, for example, has been popular since the 1920’s. That’s not to say all work-from-home ideas are scams. As a professional journalist, I’ve made my living working from home for more than 20 years. What is a scam is the message that operating from home and using the internet as a marketing medium is inherently easy and requires no effort. To prosper in any profession requires serious effort and commitment. I and many of my clients make good money from the internet. And we all work hard, something I touch on in my article “Easy Money? Don’t Make Me Laugh†which can be read here:
theinternetwizards.com/A-easymoney.htm
Its true that it is hard to make money online, but there are people who make an incredible income online, these people follow a system, on top of that persistance is key as well, they say it takes a while to generate revenue online, but the more time you spend on it the more results start showing up, its a numbers game, in the beginging you put all your time and effort and noting, as time goes by, then you start seeing results, its pretty much like planting a seed, it takes time before you can harvest the fruit. I personally am doing internet marketing, I have tried so many methods and very little results and finally I start seeing improvement, I started with a few cents of revenue, now its getting to the dollars, soon thousand and millions if I don’t give up. If you would like to get more info on what I do market send me and email or simply visit my site, it is still going through a few finishing touches. Hope to here from you!!
@Bonnie – I am well aware of the potential for using the Internet as a money making machine, in fact, I earn more from my websites than I do from my salary, so don’t get me wrong, I’m well aware. I just don’t believe in these work from home scenarios where you have to pay an upfront amount to be able to continue ~ that’s nonsense in my opinion of course. I will take a look at your article, thank you for commenting on this topic!
@joel – I totally agree with those people who say that making money online takes time and your metaphor with a planting a seed is dead accurate! I will pop on over to your site and we can have a chat.
Thanks for the comments peeps!
An i dont need no bigger.. you know!
lol
great blog!
Thanks s c tan. Removed your link obviously – no spamming here :)
pse advise when you find a home bus that works.thank you.
I would like to hear about your comment on richlife with warren lake – is it worth the try or just another scam – please reply via email.
BELLA – I’m not familiar with that program. I did a Google search and couldn’t find too much information, perhaps you could enlighten me a little and I could do some research?
Hi Chris
His website is http://www.richlife.co.za/demo.asp
This is a presentation that you can listen to online – this is all I have for now.
Thanks.
Thanks BELLA, I will take a look this evening when I have a chance and see what it’s all about :)
i have no idea whether reading your blessing was a blessing or a curse.
i have a very seriour shortfall and i was thinking about trying those work from home promises, when i came across your article, now i am so confused i do not know what to do. Don’t you think it is better try incase it works?
Poline – look, there are ones which have worked in the past, but I would really make sure you cover all your bases and make sure you read everything thoroughly before paying anything or signing up!
I heard that the ‘Reverse Funnel System’ was a decent program, but don’t quote me on that please :)
Good luck with your ventures Poline!
hey there! U know what? I’m a at home mom and i have nothing to do at home. I wanted to sign up for these work from home stuff but u just make me think twice!!!! Please can u tell me wich of these aren’t scams. I really need to do something from and if I can make money while doing something, why not? please send me an email with the adresses. With regards
Linda
Hi linda,
Honestly, I don’t have a list of programs which work. I’ve only ever heard nightmares from people with regards to making money online and being scammed in the process.
My advice would be to make sure that you understand everything involved in the system before paying. See, most of these programs can work, but require so much effort from the users side, you basically need a marketing department to execute them!
As I told poline, the ‘Reverse Funnel System’ apparently does work..
hi Chris,
thank you for the response on my e-mail. I will make sure of the details before I pay anything. thak you for people like u. have a great day ;-)
I meant THANK YOU!!!!!
Sure thing linda, just be careful and you’ll come out on top!
How exactly do these work from home things work? Each website I go to seems to ask me to buy a package training kit. But I’d like to know what businesses are involved. Help??
That’s my point exactly Michael, in my opinion, they don’t work and 99% of them are scams!
Hi Chris,
I have just signed up with “Quicksurvey” where they have given me access to a data base where i am able to register with companies that pay people like me to par-take in surveys of various kinds. I have registered with 30 different companies and it has been two days – lets see what happens? will keep you posted.
Ah, thanks for reporting back, I look forward to hearing how things work!
I just lost my Job and would now like to work from home.
what is the safest an dmost trustworthy site to go to.
Sorry to hear that Raven, I hope you manage to find a site which works for you.
Adsense and TrafficSynergy are probably the safest bets :)
Thank you very much for your responds.
I will definitely look at the sites you suggested.
Once again THANK YOU
Raven
Sure thing Raven, all the best with the ventures forward!
Hi Chris
Not everything is a scam. I personally am involved in two network marketing businesses that are doing very well and they are definitely not scams. It is a good thing to do some research about a company before you join though.
I also just want to make your visitors aware of a site that offers nothing but scams: http://www.hbiz.co.za
This is your typical type from home and get paid, enter data and make millions, etc,etc. They actually have a new scam out now that tell you that you can make kezillions as a survey administrator.
Stay far away from these people and any offers like this. These ads have been classed as illegal by the Department of Trade and Industry. I have reported their site. If you would like to have them close down shop, please join me in emailing complaint@asasa.org
about their site.
Hi Joan,
I’m very aware that not all programs are a scam, but to find the programs which aren’t a scam are is usually very tricky and most people end up being caught by scams.
I’ve made thousands and thousands by running online marketing websites which things such as Adsense, TrafficSynergy, etc. so I’m well aware of these system, but I’d say that there are plenty more scams than there are actual working programs..
Hi,
I’ve been caught out twice, paying for a program only to find that what I paid for was not as per the initial advertised website.
I have not tried again (1 year now). I have a full time job, but would like to supplement my income. I guess you have to do your homework very well, as suggested by most on this forum.
Hi all – i would just like to say that i did subscribe to richlife and its something that could work for you.its marketing on the net and thats all im saying – you can subscribe to them and read the material for yourself – your money is refundable should you not want to do this kind of work – good luck
Hi Chris, I appreciate you warning people of scams on the internet – boy oh boy – there are many!! Just a pitty that you place everyone under the same umbrella – as there are good opportunities out there that can help especially women earn extra income so they can stay at home and see their kids grow up..or maybe help a household earn extra R5000-R6000pm that they desperatly need! You are welcome to check out our website. We mainly focus on helping woman, we give lots of information for free – in the form of videos (need ADSL) – so that even if she doesn’t join us – she will be aware of some serious statistics. Because the info is for free – we obviously fund our advertising ourselves. I won’t waste money in that way on scamming…would you??
I just get so annoyed, because there are a lot of people who need work and would do next to anything to meet the bills and they are the ones who get prayed on by these evil programs!
Prayed on?? Seriously Chris – get all your facts before you throw accusations around about ‘evil’ programs! Your cynicism surpasses your intelligence. Yes – a lot of people need work…in SA…can You possibly offer people work to meet their bills? You don’t need to worry – you “have a huge love for fashion, wining and dining, aquariums and general socializing” – that costs lots of money…
Uhm, I think you have misunderstood what I was saying.
What I was saying is.. there are so many programs on the Internet which promise things, but end up not delivering. Furthermore, I said that it annoys me that it’s often the people who are most in need that get fooled.
Does that clear things up? If not, then you clearly don’t understand my intellectual reasoning ;)
I agree totally but does anyone know of one work from home business that does work.
I don’t know any, and I’ve dug through a great deal of them! I think some of them can work, but they all require upfront payments and then you need a collection of marketing tools and skills to actually get them working :/
The idea that you can earn money on-line has probably been around for as long as the line itself. Something in the wind makes me doubt that the traditional methods will last much longer, though.
I’ve seen more scams than I’ve seen legit opportunities. And there’s a pyramid scam about to hit the South African market, in the form of a site called “lifechanger”.
You basically join and pay a monthly fee. And then you get people to join in your downline, and get paid for that – up to four levels. I’ve tried to contact the admins of the program, but they don’t respond to emails. The programmer told me that there was a way to make money other than refer people, but he was very vague about it.
I’m a little worried that this thing gets too successful. The problem with the design is that it’s a bottomless pyramid – everyone HAS to refer someone else in order to make enough just to stay in the program. So what happens when there’s no one left who wants to join? Flame out.
And that’s why pyramid schemes make the initiators a lot of money, and let the rest down. I wouldn’t be surprised to see many more like it hit the scene after launch.
If you can find the time, maybe you should set up a scam warning site, Chris. With level headed facts, heh. And not just online scams, but offline scams too, like Herbalife. Who knows how many people would benefit?
~ Wogan
Hi Wogan,
I definitely agree that there are more scams and legitimate programs. I must say.. a number of these programs can work, but only if you’re an equipped marketing person. The down stream system is probably the most popular, and unfortunately, getting hundreds of downstream members doesn’t lead to payout either, these people then need to market and make money, you will only make money if someone downstream does, that’s how these programs last, there’s no expense.
It’s not a bad idea, a website which researches each program and posts then one by one, linking out to programs under affiliate codes – lol, reverse engineering on the web :P
Thanks for the comment mate, good to see that someone else is on my level with all of this!
Be warned that these adverts saying Data Capturer/Typist are also a scam. Once you pay them a fee, they send you info on how to place ads on the internet, exactly like theirs. You basically have to advertise the position for Data Capturer/Typist on the internet. Once someone contacts you, they pay you a fee & then you give them the info you were given. They basically teach you how to go forward and scam other internet uses. You then make money by scaming people as well.
Alison – That’s exactly what I was trying to tell everyone, thanks for backing me up!
All these places are dodgy and learning something is near impossible, they all require previous knowledge and an initial deposit :/
Thanks for popping in and sharing!
Hi Guys, It is great to have so many people discussing what I do! If you would like to chat to me, my number is 082-859-5447 (South Africa). I have been doing this for the last 6 years (my wife joined me 4 years ago) and this is all we do – it has given me the priviledge of spending the first 30 months of my sons life with him every day, working from our beautiful home – this opportunity has been all I ever wished for. I welcome your comments / reponses / concerns etc!
Cheers
Warren
Warren, perhaps you would spend some time writing a description of what exactly you do? Richlife.. but explain it more in details here and give the readers something useful to read, perhaps a short case study on yourself and your success?
Hi Chris, thanks for suggesting I explain a little about what I do.
The opportunty enables people to create but active and passive income on either a Part-Time or Full-Time basis. We have a product line which is supplied by a company listed on the NYSE (
Hi Chris, thanks for suggesting I explain a little about what I do.
The opportunty enables people to create but active and passive income on either a Part-Time or Full-Time basis. We have a product line which is supplied by a company listed on the NYSE (New York Stock Exchange) and is approved as a ligitimate business in 65 countries around the world.
You may as why I don’t speak of the company name – well, this is quite simple. There is a stack of opinion in the marketplace, and we have found it beneficial to make a decision based on fact as opposed to opinion. We have a Decision Package which explains the opportunity in details (Industry, Company, Products, Compensation Plan etc etc), and is designed to enable a person to make an informed decision as opposed to an opinionated decision. The R215 deposit is refundable, and I believe Bella who commented earlier in this conversation is a person who can confirm this.
I personally came across the opportunity 8 years ago, and due to opinion, decided it was most definately not suited to me. Fortunately, 2 years later, I came across it again – but this time I was presented with a Decision Package. I did the research and got started straight away.
I had a mentor who showed me how to do the business and exposure to an amazing support structure.
If a person follows all the steps and is teachable, success is very possible. Obviously it cannot be guaranteed, however if a person does all the things they are meant to do, and stick to the ethics of the company, they will succeed.
Like any legitimate business, people are unlikely to make masses of income in the start-up phase – it is not a ‘Get Rich Quick Scheme’, however it is the average persons best chance of becoming financially successful.
Hope this helps, and I welcome any concerns or comments.
Cheers
Warren Lake
Hello Everyone.
It was very interesting to read your comments all. Positive and negative about work from home business. I am very glad to inform you that I found one true work from home after I was a victim of a work from home scam.
I work from home by selling these products and the first month that is March I started with this I earned myself a profit of R5 000.00 This month I intend earning R14 000.00.
I have two businesses in one.
The first one is sell the products shapetolivelong.net
and
the other one is sell the business itself (freelife4eva.net).
I make a lot of money eaither way. Have you heard about killing two birds with one stone. I think I will be resigning soon to look well after my business and my clients. By the way I am an Administration Manager at one of the biggest owned by government companies and I earn R15 000. Soon I will be earning R300 000.00 per month.
Cheers
Phyllis suggested a work from home bussiness that works. What is the name?
Isn’t it in the comment above what you wrote..
I have joined the data to data team and have actually made money which is paid over monthly into my account.If you want to become a reseller hop onto the site
http://www.jcfax.co.za and register at the bottom as a reseller. it really works.
It does take a bit of work initially building a database but I concentrate on
friends,new companies etc. to buid the database and have over a 1000 now.
Please share some more information with us about how you got things going Chris?
Hi Leo and others
I am very sorry to be replying to you now. I don’t visit this site so often. The other day when I made acomment I just pamped against this site. I don’t really have time. My two home businesses are taking a lot of time. http://www.freelife4eva.net is my home business and http://www.shapetolivelong.net. Good luck.
Hi Warren and Leo
Warren I am so proud of you my brother and I envy you. You and I seem to be in the same business and I only started my business in March 2008. I wish I had started this 10 years ago, but I guess I was not ready then. Thank you for you had time to put everything into perspective to most people. I am still in training I hope to see you in Barcelona in June. My business is doing very dispite the hectiveness of my full time job as I am still doing this business part time.
cheers
One of the best and most profitable ways to work online from home is to do MLM. Many people consider multi level marketing or network marketing to be a scam, or they say that it does not work. Well the reason that it does not work for most people is because most people go about it in the wrong way. Have a look at my blog post ‘The Truth about MLM’ and you will see what I mean.
http://www.affluentdivinity.com/2008/04/the-truth-about.html
There are many MLM companies out there, many many are great, I believe that if you work hard and you know how the MLM business works then you can become successful in ANY MLM company, however I have decided only to stick with one, which is the best. If you want more information about it please email me at david{at]sfimga{dot}com.
Hi Phyllis
Yip, you will be seeing me in Barcelona in June, so we are obviously working the same business.
Please remember that you will always be in training – the day you say you know everything is the day your business will start to go backwards!
Just remember to do the basics every day.
Cheers
Hi Dave
I agree totally with what you have said RE all MLM’s work and RE sticking to one.
Thanks for you rlink – I will check it out later.
Cheers
Warren
Great site Chris M
Well like all of us you try and try again , only to run into spammers and
brickwalls all the time.Upon my exploration to find a site or Company that would give a guarenteed income I was made aware of the potential fax to mail market that is very underutilized at this point.I stand to be corrected but we might be looking at about 60 percent of people with access to e mail. My website
http://www.jcfax.co.za is now set up to take on resellers and like David says ready for
MLM.The Sky is the Limit David.
Like to hear from you guys
Thanks
Hi, Joan
would you mind sharing the info with me on the site that works for you?
Please send me the website address which works for you.
Thank you
Hi, Adriaan thanks for asking.
Just go to http://www.jcfax.co.za and scroll to the bottom.you
can then register as a reseller and earn 15 cents per minute.
Thanks
@Chris – please just be careful here, I don’t want my readers running off to website, signing up and finding out that they don’t work. Please bare this in mind for me mate :)
I have to agree most of these sites is a scam, I came across a site that you don’t have to pay an upfront amount. The training and information you need is provided free. I am currently trying it and even though it is a slow process I think it is worth the time and effort. There is no such thing as quick money, it does take up a lot of my time and commitment but in the end I know I will have results.
Hi,Elmarie
would you mind telling me more about this site?
Regards
Hi Chris R,
Well basically it is an affiliate system. You join up for free get the training information for free. After that you can decide what you want to do and how to go about doing it. Some of the thing if you want to do it costs money but to get started you don’t pay a thing, which is why I decided to give it a try,if I don’t pay anything I have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
Regards
I would love to hear what sort of money you people are making? As you know, this blog gets a great deal of traffic and I wouldn’t mind running a JV with someone who knows what they are doing, we can convert some of my traffic into leads and see how successful the campaign can be..
I agree with “Helping Women” We all need some sort of income,As I am a single parent an unemployed I am willing to visit various sites to check them out. If I found a “work from home” solution and it worked for me, I would certaintly tell a friend. If you have sites that I can check out “work from home” I would appreciate the help.
Hey people, if you look at the post, you’ll see that I’ve added some extra content, outlining two programs which have worked for me, including TrafficSynergy, which earned me R11,000.00 in one month :)
Sign up and give it a bash!
Chris M, you are a star and so are the people who have posted useful comments on this site!
I was feeling a bit desperate and was just about to sign up for a job as a home based-typist/ data entry clerk and proberly end up looking (and feeling) like a complete twit!
I’m glad I found your site. I might give the adsense and traffic synergy a go, but I guess you have to know loads of peeps and have a website or blog, right?
i just join a moneymaking thing with hbiz.co.za. now im worried when i saw people making it off as a scam. i need to do extra job for money for my people. i already send money to them
Try the TrafficSynergy links I placed in my article, it does work, just takes a little practice and work :)
@Ash – My pleasure, stick around, let us know how things go and hopefully you’ll be able to make some good extra money :)
Alet – don’t despair just yet. It might work out ok!
And if it doesn’t then at least you can warn others and maybe we can do something about it.
Let us know how it goes!
Hi all
I have read this forum and it really has been an eye opener for me!! I have come accross the following page and I would really appreciate it if you can help me out with regards to verifying whether this is one of the scam ones or a legitimate one.
http://www.passive-income.co.za/
The site gives you an opportunity to purchase an e-book, which will give you the tools to make a success (and of course money). It mentions the Google Adsense as one of the tools, so does that mean that it is legit?
Thank you in advance
Hi Lani, I worry the minute you’re asked to purchase something. The problem is.. they usually provide you with generic information you can find for free on the Internet and then rely on your own marketing skills. There are hundreds of e-books available, but they all rely on your having the skills to do the marketing.
What does the e-book cost?
Lani, you can guess what sort of site that is.
When you can get a handful of these useless books as well, you just should forget about it. Hundreds of those sites on the Net.
Cheers.
Am very glad I found your site, Chris. We are in the throws of closing our “brick and mortar” gallery, will be keeping the website up. I had just begun to think about “work from home” opportunities to add to the mix and had googled LIGITIMATEworkfromhome. Lots and lots of sites came up and, of course, a number of the ripoff site-types discussed here. I am no babe-in-the-woods person but when $ is heavy on the mind, one becomes tempted to give it a try. My “red flag” has always popped up when I am asked for money up front for anything. It sure would be wonderful for the entire world if there were, in fact, only one site one could go to to find the good guys out there — the actual ligits. Since I have always thought these workfromhome things were all scams, what got me going to check it out again (besides needing $!) was (it was either NBC or CBS or ABC) news brief — I was in another room of my house when my ears perked up, hearing the news brief — was not quite quick enough to get the link jotted down! — so am researching for what I heard last week on the (whichever) news blurp. The news site supposedly has a list of the few ligit ones out there. Wish me luck …
From Los Angeles …
Best,
Jane J.
P.S. check out my 2 gallery websites (one above) and hamiltonselway.com, email: jane@hamiltonselway.com (this gallery is long-term “brick and mortar” — VERY established.
P.S.S. my brother lives in Joberg :-)
Glad I could be of assistance, it’s really what I try so very hard to do. Hang around, there will be many more posts on making money online or working from home :)
Hi there. Some months ago i subscribed (9$) to a
“make money over the Internet with you own website” The site was “Rich Jerk” Since then all I have received from them is a host of e-mails requesting me to sign up with them.
Thanks Syd, appreciate the feedback, this is exactly the sort of thing we’re trying to gather to prevent people from wasting their money!
Chris,
Still researching for legit work from home — am not looking to “build a business” in MLM or any other “build a business” — but in the straight ahead, “job” category. Have checked out the “Angel Stevens Process At Home System”. What is your take on this one? Is it completely legit and for real??? Also — have checked out the site: “Site Review Authority, Work at Home”. A “red flag” went up inside me in that, get this: on 5/28/08, the introduction was by a Dr. Richard Stera, Chairman. Today (6/10/08) it is by a Dr. Mike Stera. Hello! The Angel Stevens Process At Home was recommended by this SRA site. What is all this about — where can one go to find a trusted on-line job??? There must be at least a few good ones out there — yes or no? ………..look forward to hearing your response.
–Jane.
Hi,Chris
Had a bit of a break. Hope all the potential Millionaires
are well.Some time ago you asked what kind of income we are
talking about.I am currently earning about R2000.00 per Month.
I started on R100.00 and as Mentioned before it takes a few
months to increase your database.I now try and add about five new
users per day and I can see the gradual increase in income. The beauty of this is that as long as there is fax machines you are
guarenteed an steady growing income for life.One could say that
after the initial hard work you can sit back and get an passive
income.By the Way I have signed up to traffic synergy and I am
also using my Fax business to promote visiters to the traffic synergy site. I do have one problem though in the sense that I
had to confirmed sales with the ZA Florist link which indicates
a seven percent payback on sales and the pending Sales commission
does not represent seven percent. Maybe you could shed some light on this?
That’s interesting. The TrafficSynergy people are normally very good, I would pop them an email and I’m sure they’ll explain the situation to you, I’ve yet to experience a problem..
Traffic Synergy has now sorted the problem. Thanks
Ah fantastic, they’re quick aren’t they!
Hey Chris M
Good site, thanx
I work freelance in Cape Town, and have been struggling to make ends meet for some time now, I recently joined a company called multisure, they sell funeral and legal cover and you earn commission on each new member and also a residual income – well so they say, just started last week. Seems legit, but am battling to even convince family to join – not much of a sales person I suppose.
Anyone had a bad experience with them that I need to know about?
It would be great if you could give us some more tips on exactly how you go about your google adsense business, I know how to sign up and everything, but maybe you have some tips on good free websites we could use to build our own websites on, or is it better to purchase a domain name etc.
I wish it where clean cut and simple to make an honest living for yourself!
I look forward to your response.
What freelance work do you do Rudi? I’ve written a number of articles about adsense over the past couple of weeks, use the search feature on my site, you might find something useful :)
Thank you so much for this site! I have read every post and found some very valuable information.
Just a heads up to all you potential money makers….beware of freshmarketing.co.za. This crown advertises in all the newspapers that you can earn up to R10000 pm doing online surveys. You pay R370 to get a list of websites to which you must register (Of the long list most sites are duplictaes). It takes days to do all the registereing only to find that most of these sites do not accept South Africans for their surveys and the few that do only offer sweepstakes for doing surveys.
All I have got from this is loads of spam mail (I receive about 120 mails a day…luckily I opened a new address)
The good thing is that they will be refunding my money but they can not refund the many valuable hours I waisted!
Louise, thank you so much for coming here and sharing what you know about freshmarketing, this is EXACTLY what we want to do, show everyone who the cheaters are!
Yes, refunding the money is easy for them, it’s all the wasted time that is so hard to get back.
Sorry to hear it didn’t work out, I hope you find a platform which works for you!
Thanx 2 everyone that have posted on this site; Especially you Chris M. I lost my job a few months ago and have been struggling to make a living, also been through quite a few of the “scammers” out there and i am really tired of these people basically getting away with financial murder. So glad i stumbled upon this page in the process of searching for yet another new page of “scam” to see if i could find a reputable way to earn a living online…
Will try Adsense as well as the Traffic synergy.
Thanx again :)
Anyone who is interested in what my business entails email me your email or postal address so I can send you my business prospectus which I paid for R250.00 before I joined. I am very happy now and I am glad I was brave to take the decision.
Regards
Please explain to me what Traffic Synergy is all about and how income is generated thereof.Is there any fees involved to be paid by participants?I agree,there is too many people out there trying to make a quick buck,wasting your money on worthless nonsense
Both these sites for you to preview and make a quick decision with no regrets later. There is nothing we are hiding. If you stay in Johannesburg or Pretorial (South Africa) we can arrange for a meeting and I can also take you for a specaial presentation on Saturday.
Ciao
@karasu – Sorry to hear that you lost your job, it must be incredibly scary! I get so annoyed and fed up with all the scammers out there! Adsense & TrafficSynergy are excellent system, they’re most definitely not scans, I can prove this. The hardest part with the two programs is that you need a website with decent traffic, if you can obtain that through writing good content and marketing yourself, you will make a success – best of luck!
Phyllis – I would actually like to hear more about what you do so I can let my readers know whether it’s legit..
@Louis – Adsense and TrafficSynergy are companies which allow you to place banners and adverts on your website. Adsense has programs which range from contextual adverts, which display adverts which match the content you write to search and product programs. TrafficSynergy is similar, yet their focus is more on CPA, which is cost per action, meaning that when you refer someone to a system, you’re likely to earn a percentage. Both systems offer great tracking programs and are both FREE to subscribe!
It’s so good to come across a local blog – and the first time I’m sending a comment too. I agree with all the opinions, especially all those survey companies you have to join – apparently you have to join about 50 then slog away all day before you may find any decent money coming in.
While I’m not exactly a naive newby, I’ve come across a site (which I am now an impressed member of) which is just ‘off centre’ from conventional internet marketing per se and was developed by a Britisher who got fed up listening to all the internet Guru blurb. He proves how to earn very good money, beyond any doubt, right before your eyes. It’s surprisingly original, simple and do-able. Once you join, so more tools to buy either.
As I want to help my fellow countrymen ..er and women? This company has a First Tier earning structure (there are 4-Tiers)which involves some research initally. I am devising a way for those without any cash to get started as well as learning in the process. I wonder if you think this is a good idea?
Hi Opal, sounds really great and once you have finished the planning, please do come back and let me know about it as I would be very interested in hearing more!
Hi Phyllis canyou please email me that business prospectus
Regards
Phylis,could you also e mail me the prospectus. Lets look at it.
Hi Phyllis
Unfortunately i am staying in Cape Town,so i would not be able to attend a meeting.Will you please e-mail a copy of your prospectus to me,thanks for all your help,nice to know you are are thinking of others,you will get your reward for that
Keep well
Great to see everyone chatting on this thread, it’s eye opening to see how many people are interested in working from home, just shows how hectic the industry has gotten!
Hi Phyllis
I also live in Cape Town and I have requsted your prospectus. As yet I have not received it. Can you Please email it to me
Kind Regards
Athol
Hi..
I do think 90% of the so called work from home sites, is just a big scam. Trying to take the last few cents out of your pocket. * just my opinion*
Agreed Boskind, that’s my opinion completely. However, the two advertising programs I’ve chatted about in this thread, are legitimate, tried and proven by me.
Athol, Louis, Chris and all other interested.
I do not have your email addresses to send you prospectus. Please go to my website below, you will find my email address and request for the prospectus through the email address not here.
Regards
http://www.shapetolivelong.net/contact_us.php
The simplicity of Adsense and Traffic Synergy are really being over played. Traffic Synergy is an affiliate network and you need to get to the top of the search to have a chance. Believe me for the word “laptop” that is difficult when you have 200 other Traffic Synergy affiliates competing with you for the same transaction.
Adsense also works off keywords so you need to produce a very good website to beat perhaps 100 others.
It is just not as easy as what it may seem. Consider doing an affiliate course to improve your chances. You also need to gain knowledge of SEO.
mike t – You talk as though you have lots of experience, yet I question that as your answers are no accurate. Keywords on a website relate to Adsense adverts, but at the end of the day, it’s traffic that’s required, as per EVERY online marketing system. I’ve made thousands of dollars using Adsense on my website, as well as thousands of rands using TrafficSynergy – I’d be more than happy to take some pictures of the cheques to prove this.
None of this is easy, making money isn’t easy, regardless of your approach, it takes time and practise!
You are quite right. There are affiliates who make good money but the percentage is low relative to the number attempting to make money. It is really difficult to get into the top 5 for a popular keyword. I think it is wrong to give people the impression that it is easy.
And traffic is all about position and basically the same arguement applies.
If you create a site that has great content and it is optimised and you have the right number and quality of incoming links then you would know that you will make money but you will also know that very few people know how to write the content and how to create appropriate links.
An authority website will do that for you and that will consist of many pages and many links.
As far as IT experience is concerned I have 30 years with a BSc cum laude in Computers and Maths.
Please note that I am merely saying that it is not as easy as it is made out to be !!
I see when promoting Traffic Synergy you use an affiliate link to get credit to your Traffic Synergy account.
Why not promote “Clickbank” which is one of the biggest and most successful affiliate networks in the world.
mike t, indeed, that is something I should do, I’m not an affiliate with them yet, thanks :)
Well i have read through this very interesting and informative blog. And have to agree with Chris M 100% and then some that most of these work from home things are just plain old Scams.
I was going to join up with freshmarketing.co.za but then stumbled across this blog. Man am i glad i did. Downside is a am still in need for a extra income and now i am really freaked out and don’t want to go and join up with one of these money hogging scammers.
I personally don’t have my own website so your 2 suggested programs will not work for me. Does anyone have any positive feedback on this whole ordeal??
I noticed one guy bragging about how much he is making and how much he will be making. Well big shot how about some more information so that some of the others can benifit. Chris M set this up to help everyone why is it that you are so scared of disclosing some information with everyone??
Or is it that you tried getting everyone to visit your site and scam them and boost your profit income ratio ????
I think I should do a full follow up article on this topic, outlining a few of the systems and packages I use successfully, let me ponder over it and I’ll revert ASAP.
The aim from my point of view is education and not soliciting conversions.
Shaun, I hope you r not directing the negative comment to me.
I do not believe in scamming people and I do have a plan
that is working for me.Like everything it takes a bit of work
upfront and a bit of time.However with what i do I am generating real income and it is growing. In fact I am quite prepared to do the hard work and have people joining.I will open a Company in my control panel under your name and all you need to do is source genuine people to requires fax to mail facilities.I will
then allocate 40 percent of my income to the person who refered
the user. And that is it!!!
Hi Chris,
Was offline for a long time,thanks for the suggestion you made in I think March, I know joined Adsense and waiting in anticipation for my first cheque.
Thanks again
Sharon
Oh wow! So you’ve reached the first $100 mark?
If you really want to make very big money have a look at becoming a gambling affiliate or a Forex affiliate.
They normally give you websites and then you have to work out how to drive traffic to the website.
With Gambling you get a percentage of what the “Gambler” looses.
Then there is another one that is quite easy but you can earn a couple of Dollars. It is very well explained. Have a look under
“Bum Marketing” with a Google search – I don’t wish to be rude.
This is a very good one to learn the ropes on.
Absolutely, those are massive systems, as well as adult websites and so forth. I really just don’t have the time to do it all at this point in time, so I rather educate and let someone else do it :)
Sharing is caring!
Absolutely Chris, Sharing is caring!! I have been stuck in a web of work at home scams…one after another. I think you should add a name and shame list. I know there are a few I would like to name.
Good point, I did think about creating a website strictly to allow people to share their bad experiences so that other people wouldn’t fall into the same trap!
hi guys
I find your forum very interesting, i would like to know if alet heard anything from homebiz online – i filled out the forms but has not paid any money yet.
i’ve been pondering on another site called jobs for you, the company seems legit, but does anyone have any experience with them, i’ve been scammed out of some much money it’s not even funny, and scared to invest into another scam, can you check it out for me please? this is the link copied from the address bar at the top
regards and keep up the good work
nice informational site
http://www.ongoingprofit.com/
I will take a look tomorrow and let you know Gerald :)
Hi Chris…Sooo glad I opened up your link on google search before falling for one or other scam. It was a real eye opener. Thanx!!!
Where can one get informtaion on how to start your own website and generating money from it using for example, advertising, etc.
Hi Grant, not a problem, that’s what this post is for. I write articles all the time on iMod about making money online. I guess it would be wise to search for ‘Adsense’ in the search bar at the top of my website and have a read :)
Traffic Synergy is mainly a South African affiliate network. There are many bigger affiliate networks on the Internet. Go onto Google.com and search for “affiliate network”. If you are able to get your website working with some of the really big ones you can make large sums of money.
A good website with lots of relevant content and good keywords as well as a number of incoming links will bring you traffic from all over the world and not just South Africa if you use a dot com or dot net domain.
Another option is to act as a RESELLER for a certain product. Again there is a stack of money to be made.
Do the course called “Wealthy Affiliate” – it will save you a lot of sweat.
Hi Chris
I have been investigating another Work From Home Opportunity via the Bid or Buy Website. Have you come across it at all and if so can you please advise
For a R 100 you get the “*Free Training Package” information.
Do you know anything about this website or the company. I know that R 100.00 bucks is not much to lose or is it. Is it worth a try?
Sean – sounds like a scam to be honest, most of those upfront payment systems are!
Thanks for the reply. I am inclined to agree. I received the package for R 100.00 and a call from a mentor. Still do not know what I must do to bring the money in. All I know is that I now need to purchase a another cd to take the next step and it is mentioned that to start the whole process will cost a few hundred bucks – not sure how much even though I have asked.So yes, back to the beginning…
Argh, that sounds dodgy! Buy one thing to be told to buy another :/
Hi Sean
I bet you my bottom dollar that it is Herbalife because that is how they operate. If I were you I would ask them straight away if it is Herbalife and not spend any more money on it unless you are prepared to buy there starter pack, go to a pep up rally where they encourage you to buy more to the tune of thousands of rands to become a manager distributor or something so that you can earn more commission. Then you get stuck with thousands of rands of products that you cannot move unless you really know how to sell.
Buyer – beware :)
Joan
I would at this point like to agree with Joan,and please don’t understand me wrong;Herbalife is just one of many Direct Selling oportunities that one may join,and for many it does work,but for a lot more it don’t,because your success depends on the number of new distibutors you can get into your team,the bigger your team grow,the more will your total income be,i am currently still a member of GNLD(the well known Golden Products Company),but not active,for the reason that most of our white South Africans are too lazy to do anything,they expect to get money while sitting in front of the TV,so it is almost impossible to get your business off the ground alone,yes you can go just for selling on your own,but remember,all these products are unique and also expensive,and in these bad times,people tend not to buy into these markets.Direct Selling is a major part of the industry in a country like America,but as i say,i gave up,the people for whom this stuff work is our black people,and even beyond our borders in the African countries.Why?Because they stand together,support each other,because they know,the more they do and be committed,the more they will earn.
There is a newsletter i am subscribing to,called “What really makes money”,published by Fleetstreet Publications.the author is a guy with the name of Nick Laight.I think the articles he writes is of great value,which is more in the line of trying your hand at something worthwhile doing,that will make money,and i think this is what we must go for,no scams,no nonsense,just doing something good that will bring in money.How much have we all waisted along the line on senseless info,and at the end of the day,who made the money?
Nice day to all of you,this is really a nice chat blog!
Louis
I promised Chris some while back up this blog somewhere that I would give a small part of the programme I am still to take action on (but I shall send him an email what I suggest) so that those without much money can see and start, then perhaps give me a small percentage after they’ve earned.
I’ve dropped all other attempts at earning online and soley concentrating on this site – you don’t need adwords, adsense, a website etc. etc. It has 48 million people that visit this particular site every month. You can earn money in different ways and niches – from digital products, eBooks, affiliate marketing, selling of land … No scam here! Students of this particular knowledge base are earning very big money with the training and methods received.
Perhaps I’m spilling the beans here but it’s how to earn money on eBay – and lots of it. You will have to pay the initial $47 or $67 for all the information, experience and expetise that the founder gives. It’s very practical and simple, and once grasped and you’ve found your preferred niche – there’s a lot to be earned – time and again. (By the way, you can even joint-venture with others.)
I don’t know if I can give the site name on this blog.
Opal
I am interested and amused in the way things are going, especially relating to Herbalife – I think I should clarify a few things, and please accept my apologies in advance if I offend anybody!
Firstly, if anybody is wanting to get themselves into a business it is vital they research the opportunity and are able to make an informed decision as opposed to an opinionated decision. Whatever the cost of the package / information package is, it is a refundable deposit. I am often amused at how once a person has received their package, they ‘Disappear’ – won’t take calls, won’t follow the required steps etc etc. All they need to do is go through the material, and make a decision as to whether they want to do the opportunity or not. If not, and they return the package within 30 days, they will get a refund of their deposit – it’s that simple!
Secondly, if you follow the Proven – Step-By-Step process, you will be able to achieve whatever you want from the opportunity. Where people go wrong is that they try to re-invent the wheel and get all surprised when it doesn’t work for them. It’s like absolutely any business a person starts – and that is why so many people fail!
Then, there are a whole stack of people who want to sit on the couch and get rich – that will also not work – unless it isn’t honest & legitimate.
Yes, the bigger your team the more income you can generate – in fact, whatever business you own (MLM and Conventional), the more people you have working for youm the more income you will generate. The only difference is that in a conventional business, the more people you employ the more headaches you have!
As far as the products being expensive, that is the biggest loan of rubbish. I must ask, compared to what?
If you want to create Financial Indepencance, MLM is the way to go – just research your product and supplier company, decide which one is best suited to your needs; and then do what they tell you to do – MASSIVELY – and your wildest dreams will come true. If you aren’t prepared to work at it and follow ‘Back to back’ 90 day plans, I suggest you stay working for a boss and stop tainting the MLM name.
Cheers
Warren
Hi Chris,
New to this blog, but you’re doing a great job. Have spent loads of time looking for the “ultimate home job”.Gerald S. Re: ongoingprofit.com, be very careful, it is a very professionally done informative website,they used to be or maybe still are 365jobs4u.com but there have been numerous complaints about them internationally. Opal would you mind contacting me, I have been on to the website you are referring to, maybe we can do joint venture of sorts?
Wayne S.
It’s so great to see everyone comparing stories, that’s exactly what will prevent us all from falling for the scams!
Hi folks,
Re: Online/Homebusiness
Great to read all the comments and stories. I’m inclined to agree with Joan Masterson in terms of “Buyer Beware”. Try http://www.ripoffreport.com enter the company’s name or program being offered and you will be able to make a better decision. It relates to issues as it’s name suggests. It is mostly USA, but you must understand that these programs and products are sold globally.
This comment is in answer to Warren’s comments regarding Herbalife. I am glad that you enjoy the Herbalife products. You are obviously one of their affiliates. If you read my earlier comment, my statement was that if you are not an experienced marketer then Herbalife might not be a good product for you. As for their prices – don’t be absurd in asking compared to what. You just have to look at the price they charge for their washing powders and other cleaning materials – the prices are all inflated to accommodate the affiliate commissions. As for bashing MLM – I am not bashing MLM – I am active and succesful in many networking systems. But none of them use the neanderthal tactics to recruit people that programs like Herbalife do. Really, the worst thing you can do when you first start out selling something is to talk to anyone you see to try and persuade them to buy your product, or your family or friends – unless you want them to avoid you like the plague forever – and that is what Herbalife teaches you do do. Actually, the recommend it. Also to talk to your butcher, your baker, your candle stick maker. Another thing is that they are not transparent in their advertising. Why not come out straight away and say; Hey,we’re Herbalife instead of cloacking it in secrecy. And before you can become an affiliate you have to pay for this and buy that – heck man, they are fleecing their own affiliates and to me that is just not ethical business practice, sorry
Fortunately I can spot a Herbalife ad a mile away, but some gullible unfortunates cant.
I’m not saying that Herbalife cannot be done – its just not a good idea for anyone who hasnt done any marketing yet.
Back again :) Just wanted to reiterate what Wayne said above. Go and check out this site: http://www.ripoffreport.com/ type in Herbalife….
You will get all the sad horror stories for yourself.
Joan
Again, my apologies in advance for any criticism taken!
I mentioned in my last comments that it is critical (and wise) for a person to research an opportunity so as to make an informed decision!
My point has been proved by Joan!
1. You do not need to be an experienced Marketer – we will teach and mentor you, as happened to me when I went from a VERY self-conscious computer programmer to being able to work from home thanks to the mentoring and support I was given by the Support Structure!
2. Anybody who associates washing powder sales to Herbalife has clearly not done any research and should maybe look at the information package
3. ‘Neanderthal tactics to recruit people’ – I provide a person with information about the opportunity to enable them to decide whether they want to get involved or not – if not great – OTHERWISE fantastic!
4. We look for people who want a result and then teach them how to get a result – if you don’t want our products -NO problem – If you do, GREAt!
5. Again, I follow the process of research to provide people with a fair chance of looking at a business with an open mind – otherwise they might be like Joan and exclude themselves from the opportunity becuase they don’t want to sell expensive washing powder!
– That’s what happened to me 8 years ago and fortunately I was able to go through the research process 2 years later. If I hadn’t, I would most probably still be working for a boss and having to brave the traffic every day!
Herbalife isn’t for everybody, but surely it’s a good idea to get all the facts and make a decision with an open mind as opposed to making an opinionated decision?
Regards
Warren
Hi Louis,
Re: “What really makes money” (Fleet Street Publications) and the homebusiness tips and offers. I queried a money back guarentee on one of their programs they are selling. They offer a 30 day money back guarentee, but the same program offered by clickbank affiliates in USA is an 8 week money back guarentee. I e-mailed queries@fsp.co.za on 05/08/08 as to why the different guarentees and to date have had no reply. Obviously 8 weeks gives you more time to set up, understand and operate program???
Warren,
Hi Wayne here just need your comment on Joan’s statement re Herbalife’s advertising. “Hey we’re Herbalife” instead of cloaking it in secrecy. I also visited many sites and the net result was Herbalife, not a problem but like Joan says , “Hey……..
Hello Wayne
I can’t see your email to email you.
Here is mine: opal@myconnection.co.za
I think this blog is fun and informative. Thank you for the ripoffreport.com. Apparently you can also do a search in Google with ‘who is’ and also ‘scam (with the name of the company) though you may get other advertisements.
As to MLM there seems to be a certain ‘breed’ who can make it and some who can’t, however much they try; it’s a non-starter for some. I know from experience, I’m hopeless on the ground – I’m even into a fabulous local and global site with a real product plus R17 000+ every three months eventually (the product increases in value much more so than property) – so instead of wasting my time on phone calls and my much-needed breath and non-arrivals of prospective members who promised to be there, I’m going online with this one.
Opal
Hi Wayne, Warren here.
The answer is quite simple – you would have noticed in Joan’s earlier comments, she referred to Herbalife’s washing powder being expensive!
If Joan had gone through the Research Process, she would know this to be the case. Similarly, others need the actual facts to be able to make an informed decision.
As I mentioned earlier, 8 years ago I decided against the Herbalife opportunity as what I knew about Herbalife was not something I wanted to get involved in. Fortunately, 2 years later I went through the research process and got started. My life has changed DRAMATICALLY to say the least – I went from being unhealthy to being healthy, I was able to fire my boss 3 months after starting on a part-time basis because my Part-Time income had exceeded my take home pay from my job, my wife joined me 18 months later, we both spent the first 3 years of my son’s life being able to work around him and we were both able to take time off without having to get permission from a boss.
You know, I was sitting with somebody earlier who tried to convince me the Herbalife products don’t work and are illegal – wrong person to talk to as I lost 28kg’s in 6 months, 7 years ago. My wife lost weight and our son, who has been using the products from conception, hasn’t had one single anti-biotic since he was born. If I didn’t know more about the facts I may have been tempted to believe this person.
Regards
Warren
Hi Wayne
As far as i know, Fleetstreet Publications is quite a big concern,they host mumerous other products and as with so many companies in S A ,service range from poor to hopeless,this i have come across in the past three months several times,i would suggest that you phone them and get a senior contact person’s name to speak to ,or to send an e-mail to,i have done that in last year when i signed up and it did work.I also recently found that they did not answer one of my queries,which i must say is annoying,then on the other hand,the info i am receiving from them per e-mail and newsletter is very informative.
Hope you get sorted out
Louis
Hi Guys
I must comment on Joan and Wayne’s comments about the Ripoffreport.com website – I have read most of the articles and again am amused – I suggest people do the research for themselves and not rely on other people’s comments.
If you would like to have a chat, feel free to call me on 082-859-5447 – it would be a good idea for you to make your own mind up as opposed to relying on others to make your mind up for you.
Do you believe everything you read in the newspapers?
Cheers
Warren
As I said previously, Warren – I am happy for you that you like Herbalife. But it is not for everybody. And some people are getting suckered into it without knowing what the program entails because of the way Herbalife dealers use their advertising.
I used to be with Herbalife – that is how I know that their products are expensive compared to everyday products – not just their washing powder as you so like harping on. I could not ethically or morally justify selling someone an inflated product like that and that is why I don’t sell Herbalife.
I also do not like the way they recruit people – most people don’t know what they are getting themselves into and before they know it they are stuck with a whole load of products that they cannot sell. Like I said before, give them the whole picture so that they can make up their minds first but with Herbalife you get bashed over the head with the profits you are going to make and the lots of money you are going to have etc. Most people cannot sell ice to people in the desert but Herbalife tells them hey no, you are the exception dude – you are the one thats going to make it – and then they don’t.
I just think they way that they are doing things is unethical – if you don’t agree, hey, thats no skin off my nose. But at lease it will make someone else think twice before they spend their hard earned bucks on products that they cannot move.
My two pence.
Hi Joan
Unfortunately this is not going anywhere. I stick to my point – if you know so much about Herbalife, surely you would know there is no washing powder in the range!
Secondly, a meal costs anything from R9 – where can you buy a perfectly balanced meal for R9 – that is why I said ‘Compared to What’
Thirdly, if somebody does the research and has the knowledge to decide whether they want to join the business, they would also have the knowledge as to how the profits are made.
I cannot see how giving somebody information to make an informed decision is ‘Bashing them over ther head’
All I ask is that people are given the opportunity of making their own decision!
Cheers
Warren
Sometimes it is really worth the time you spend on reading comments… you can learn a lot from peoples opinions and input about what works and what doesn’t.
At the moment I am also looking for new income on the internet and found the input about hbiz.co.za very interesting. I was really tempted to pay the fee, but by Googling them, found my way to this site. Think I will leave hbiz. alone, has been burned quite a few times many years ago by these kind of offers.
As for Herbalife, nooo washing powder in their range of products…lol. However, the other weight loss and health products do work, but you NEED a LOT of money to MAKE LOTS of money with this company. I speak from experience as I have been a member a few years back and has lost a considerable amount of money.
If you really put a lot of hard work and effort into this, you can become successful, but for me the cost of all the advertising, webhosting and products did not justify the income I made in the end.
Also, people living in cities have a better chance of success with Herbalife than people in smaller towns, although my mentor at that time was and is still living in a very small town in the Free State. This lady is very successful, but another thing I have learned from her, you must have the support of your family when you are in the MLM business – maybe in any kind of business that you run from home.
I recently signed up for the “Bum Marketing” course (just do a Google search) with a product that you can start selling without money or your own website. It also offers good advice on how to make a living on the internet.
To be honest, I have not yet earned anything, but I think it is purely my own fault, because I do not at the moment put much effort into it, although I have worked quite hard in the first few weeks. Article and affiliate marketing can provide you with a steady monthly income.
The one thing that most of us forget when starting a business from home is that we will not become rich overnight. Hard work and perseverance is crucial to online and offline success. There is and never was a get-rich-quick scheme if you want to earn an honest living.
Just one last “experience” during my months of research on the internet… If you want to join an affiliate program, make sure that they are part of Clickbank. South African citizens cannot earn money through Paypal, although you can buy with a Paypal account.
The only way you can currently earn through Paypal is to have a friend or family member in another country and then your earnings can be paid into their bank accounts. Do not know if the exchange rate justifies the transfer cost.
Maybe this has changed in the last few months since I had a look at the Paypal site.
Lastly, I am really positive about article and affiliate marketing, even if it does take me a few months to earn any money.
Hard work and perseverance is really the only way to go if you want to be successful online or off line.
Ok, this is a long comment, just felt I had to share a little of what I have learned during my search for an extra income.
Hi Elsie
You put into words about Herbalife exactly what I meant to say. It is not that they don’t have good products, it is that their product prices are highly inflated to pay the company, the manager, the distributor – all of those people get a piece of the pie. As for the washing powder – I only used that as an example product. I never said they HAD washing powder. It was just meant as a proverbial product. I guess I should have just said diet and meal replacement products and left it at that.
As for making money on the Internet – there are things that work but it does take a while for most people to learn how to do that. You can sell products from Clickbank and drive traffic to it via Adwords, you can make money with Adsense if you know how to build websites around profitable products – providing you know how to drive traffic to it. In the early days of Adsense it was easy, you could just slap up a site around certain keywords and you made money. Lots of things have changed since then though and making money with Adsense is not as easy as it was then.
You can also make money with network marketing – as a matter of fact, I am making money with network marketing – the internet makes it easy if you know how.
But – what comes easy to you may not come that easy to the next person. It does not mean that what works for me will work for you and vice versa. So basically it takes a while to learn what works for you.
What has worked for me was to have a mentor that can teach you how to do things step by step. And then you learn more things on your own and soon soon you know how to make money.
I have done article marketing and it works – but with so many people doing it these days, it has also become harder. Google has also stopped counting backlinks from many article directories for exactly that reason – too many people out there trying to get links to their sites etc doing it the same way. These days you have to think out the box and not do what the rest of the crowd is doing. And if you find something that works – keep it to yourself, and rinse and repeat :)
My two cents
Joan
Hi Chris,
Like others, locating your site has been an eye-opener and of course, a scary revelation. Just this morning I paid R197.00 to http://www.invest4life.biz/order. Now I wish I’d done more research-if it’s Herbalife, I’m likely to literally shoot myself in the foot! Is this site familiar to you? I’ve also located another “work from home opp”- pLance which has received good reviews from a practical on-line assessment-www.proconsumerguides.org. Profitlance.com requies the equivilant of R577.00 ($77). And, yes, it has a money-back guarentee, but that doesn’t remove the “Fear Factor” lol.
I agree that the opportunities advertised should be less “cloak & dagger”. It would save a lot of time & stress. Multilevel Marketing biz opps like Amway & Herbalife are frustrating, well-disguised time-wasters, especially in the South African economy. I don’t doubt their high quality products, but it’s simply way too tedious & really speaking-door-to-door sales.
But I suppose if 1000 people responded per week, the site owner would earn interest on R197.00/person over a 4 week period (the time it takes to request a refund should you be unhappy). Even if the biz opp is legitimate but unworkable for the general layman, R197.00 x 4000 hits/mth = R788000.00. Interest earned on that amnt/mth makes for a decent passive income with almost no overheads!
So there you go, folks. It’s that simple and legal to generate a passive income via the internet…even if your biz opp is to advertise biz opps lol. So now I’m off to work on this fantastic new opportunity by rounding up all the other gullible so-and-so’s like myself.
Take care and enjoy your day,
Natasha
ps: If we take the time to conduct extensive searches for biz opps to improve our lives, we should equally and importantly take the time to report scams to the relevant “watchdogs”. It’s the only way to rid ourselves of the opportunistic scum that roam the virtuals portals.
Hi Natasha
Bet you my bottom dollar you’ve been caught… :) I hope you come back to tell us who it was – not that I have any doubt.
Hi Joan
Fate, it would seem,isn’t an absolute b*#ch lol. Yes, gullible me, did send off for the “miracle starter pack” but it appears my pmnt wasn’t processed due to a technical glitch so I still have my money & dignity in tact.
Hats off to the site owner, tho, who did call & sounded rather sincere & since she is located in Johannesburg, I might opt to meet her in person and examine the proof of her on-line business.
Fortunately or unfortunately, I’m not prepared to give up on humanity just yet. I still believe there are a few good souls left out there… But as Joel says (Dec 03, 2007), it’s possible to generate a decent income on-line, but it takes hard work. Those looking for a “quick fix”, I’m afraid, are bound to burn their fingers. So I guess we will have to validate the existence of the potential opportunities (somehow..) before diving in nose first into a possible waterless pool.
Ciao for now & have a super day!!
Hi Natasha,
I have been following your entries and really hoping that you do not get scammed. I don’t think you are gullible…you just believe in humanity.
Anyway glad you get a proper chance to investigate and make a knowledgeable decision.
Hi Mpho,
Thanx for that. I believe there are many people stuck in careers that they accidently stumbled into & of course there are those who are living out their well-executed childhood plans. Unfortunately, many people find themselves unhappy in their current career choices. According to Maslow, a famous psychologist, we are constantly & unwittingly climbing a ladder (the hierachy of needs) and sooner or later reach a stage where our status quo just isn’t enough to make us happy.
I believe there’s an entrepeneur in all of us but the fear of risk & failure prevents us from persuing our dreams.
I abandoned a promising career in persuit of my own business which I have today. Regrets?? None! Stress? Loads of it! But it’s a different kind of stress. I wouldn’t swop it for any “employee” type situation.
My curiosity iro a home based on-line business is to increase my existing customer base and to derive a residual, passive income in the process.
Hats off to Chris-this site has made me acutely aware of the potential dangers out there. In addition , it’s provided the solution I was looking for…so look out for my site (to be announced next week).
Tropical holidays & fat bank balances can only come from hard work but we should not allow the tropical misty waterfalls to cloud our judgement.
I also believe we reap what what we sow. It’s an unproven spiritual superstition or perhaps faith of some kind…most people don’t give it much thought these days, but if your heart is clean & your intentions sincere, perhaps “good fortune” will fall upon us. It’s about embracing an unselfish conscious awareness. We all want the millions, right? How many of us actually plan to do some good with it?
A young guy held me up at a busy intersection 2 weeks ago. I was almost shot in midday for my cell phone & no-one lifted a hand to help! Honestly speaking, I was more perturbed by the lack of humanity by the people around me, than that of the young guy wielding the firearm. The immediate thoughts that ran though my mind was 1. I work hard to own my cellphone so I’m not giving it over and 2. wouldn’t it be nice if I could offer the young man a job. He has his whole life ahead of him, but it will be short-lived with his “career choice”. What he failed to realise at the time was I could have easily shot him since I drive with my firearm readily accessible in my car at all times.
I guess my point is, we are only victims of our circumstances if we choose to be. Whether it’s due to a gun-wielding fool, an internet scam or due to unhappiness in our current careers.
Once we accept that it isn’t our birth-right to demand what we haven’t earned,understand the meaning of humility and humanity, then perhaps, only then, by the grace of a higher power, we shall experience the mist of the tropical island waterfalls…though not necessarily in a literal way, but in a way that we deserve…
Now Im off to drive along the same road where I encountered the gun-wielding young man (whom I’ve noticed there a few times after my awful incident, so wish me luck!
Hi Chris
What a great site for all who was scanned or try not to be scaned.
I come accross the following “make some extra cash” oppertunity who do not promise to make you millions but the oppertunity for some extra money (www.pockectbillboardadvertising.page.tl).
They make use of cell phone advertising to generate cash and you get paid each time an advertiser forward a sms to you.
Have you seen this? and if so, what do you think about it?
I’m glad I could provide you with something useful. I have not seen the site you are talking about, but it sounds dodgy :/
Thanx
I have read the details on their website and can not see the scam, but may I should investigate more and maybe some can also give their opinion on it?
Andy
Hi Elsie,
Re:hbiz.co.za have made enquiries will let you know as soon as I receive info.
Hi Joan and Wayne
Thanks for the responses to my comment a few nights ago.
Joan, the washing powder…sorry, did not mean anything bad, maybe we could have made more money if we had to sell washing powder…lol – however, it just goes to show that even after not being members anymore, sometimes we are still not sure if we can say what Herbalife is really all about or even mention their name… but enough on that subject.
I’ll have to look into networking marketing, or maybe not, because then I will have another “new” subject to read up on and gather info, which in the end I most probably will not use – wish I could find a mentor to show me what exactly to do with all the e-books, resale,PLR’s, public domain, affiliate marketing, Adsense/Adwords, minisites, landing pages,RSS, product creation, niche finding… and all the info products that are out there, I have them all – (luckily I only paid for one)and various other products I have downloaded during the last two years. At the moment they are just gathering dust. It is really a case of I know WHAT I have to do but not exactly HOW to do it.
This is the reason I tried my hand at article and affiliate marketing. Maybe I am not really a salesperson, but on the other hand, I know that my future lies here on the internet, just have to find a way to make all these things work for me.
Squidoo lenses are supposedly also a good way to earn money, not overnight, but in the long term I think it can be very profitable. You just have to find a subject you are passionate about and start building the lens around it.
I did find typing actual html in the text modules and the placement of images a little more difficult as opposed to blogging where you can type your post and upload images by choosing where in your post they must appear. On the whole, however, a nice way to create an online presence.
Wayne, thanks for your offer of looking into hbiz.co.za. It would be nice to find an honest company who pays for work done from home and I could really do with some extra cash in this time.
As for my observation about Paypal, Chris has a marvellous discussion about this (no less than 270 comments!) on his post of 13th February 2008 – worth reading and checking out the links in these comments.
http://imod.co.za/2008/02/13/i-called-paypalcom-today-from-south-africa-and-asked-wasssup/
Hi Elsie, Wayne and Everyone
Please do yourself a favour and stay far away from hbiz.co.za – all of the programs that they offer are scams. I have actually reported them to complaint@asasa.org.za. Most of their programs were actually outlawed by this legislation:
***Advertisements offering certain work-from-home opportunities are now illegal, said the Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) on Wednesday.
The ASA welcomed the regulation, which was issued by the Department of Trade and Industry.
“The regulation makes various work-from-home ‘opportunities’ illegal. These include opportunities to ‘fill envelopes’ and ‘type labels’ — two scams against which the ASA has issued various rulings,” said the ASA in a statement.”
This includes “typing from home” work, unless you are offering your services.
What I can tell you is that they offer surveys to make money – something which definitely does not work for South Africans because the survey companies out there that do accept Saffies only offer prizes and stuff – not real money – and you might not even qualify for the prizes they have.
Another thing is that they offer “data entering”. This is no more than giving you a list of Clicbank products, telling you how to write an ad for it and then putting out an Adwords campaign for it – and of course the money for the ads come out of your own pocket.
Don’t fall for those kinds of scams. They are illegal and they don’t work.
Blessings
Joan
Hi Joan
Thanks for the advice. Until I can find something else, I’ll just keep on with my small business at home and work on my internet marketing.
Stay well
Elsie
Hi Joan
Thanks for the advice. Guess I will just have to go on with what I am doing and use my computer to design and create “thingys” I can sell locally to earn a little extra money until everything falls into place again.
Stay well
Elsie
Hi Joan, Elsie
I actually e-mailed the Dept of Trade and Industry to establish hbiz legitimacy, because hbiz website says that (I’m paraphrasing) “All our products and services are as per the new DTI regulations” but when I saw the envelope filling etc I knew somethings not right.Will let you know as soon as I get reply from DTI. The chap at hbiz is a Tim Coetzee.
Hi All,
Re:hbiz. I queried their survey biz opp and this was their exact reply via e-mail. “We supply you with links of companies that wants you to complete surveys for them, there are a few that does not accept south africans but according to us most of them do want the opinions of South Africans”
Hi All
I hope I am not contravening your terms of service by posting this here Chris. If so, please delete this post. I have been reading most of the posts here and there is one thing all the posts have in common – people are looking for ways to make money from home legitimately. Some people are looking for real work – like typing etc – which is kind of scarce, others are looking for ways to make money on the Internet.
What I have been looking at doing for a long time now is to establish a membership website where members will be able to download guides that will teach them how to make money online, including but not limited to using Adsense and Adwords to make money, how to make money blogging, how to make money selling products etc.
Now, these products can be found on the Internet one by one if you are really looking for them, but to acquire them one by one normally costs you anything from $47 upwards. That is a lot of money for one product.
What I am look at doing is establishing a membership website where I will make products like that available for a monthly membership fee of say R29. Which means that even if I just add say 5 products a month that cost $47 each, which works out to R1833.00 in products – that means you save R1804.00!
The site will also have a membership forum where the products and ways to implement it, tips etc can be discusses so you get even more value for your money.
If there is anyone here that would be interested in joining such a site, please email me at joan@womenatwork.co.za . At this stage I am just trying to figure out if it would be a viable thing to do.
Thanks
Joan
Hi Guys,
I came across this site whilst researching … you guessed it … work from home opportunities. It’s been a real eye opener for me, although i have tried numerous work from home businesses.
I started with the “fill envelopes from home” system, and although i made a small amount of money, i spent more on advertising than i ever brought in – when i decided to leave the company, i never received my final payment that was due to me.
I then moved onto reading e-mails from home – you subscribe and they send you hundreads of e-mails which you are supposed to read and then refer people to, it works on a points basis and once you have a cretain amount of points, they supposedly pay you out – PLEASE do not get caught up in this scam – all i ended up with was full e-mail boxes, a computer full of viruses and no cash to speak of although i reached the target several times over!
Then along came good old Herbalife. PLEASE believe me when i say that although i realise that Herbalife may work for some people, you DEFINITELY NEED MONEY to make money from this. I joined the 60 minute money system, my mentor convinced me that the only way forward was to immediately sign up as a Supervisor (thus skipping all the intermediate levels). I got myself into a serious amount of debt by trying to fund the Supervisor level, and the small amount of money i did bring in in a 6 month period was not even enough to cover the costs for maintaining my websites. Unless you have unlimited advertising resourses at hand, and a huge personal support base of family and friends who can afford to pay the high prices of the retail products, you probably wont make money with Herbalife. Two years later i am STILL paying of the debt incurred with this little venture. I do know people who have become millionaires from Herbalife, but they are few and far between.
I am now on the hunt again for something to do from home, although i have a full time job, and i just came across an opportunity from a company called Provinet ( SA Based). Has anyone ever heard of them or know anything about this particular opportunity? Would love some feedback if you have.
K
Hi Kiera
Yes, sadly that is what happens to some people and that is why I say that some of Herbalife’s methods are unethical. That person did not have your interests at heart when they pushed you to go the whole nine yards – only their own backpockets!
As for Provinet – it is a program that is run by one of my closest friends Yolande Verwey and various other partners. They started this program because they were fed up by being done in by other programs which I will not mention here. The main aim behind Provinet is to help people save towards there medical expenses. It is not a Medical Aid but a means to save up for unexpected expenses or for when your Medical Aid has been maxed.
It is network marketing of course, so if you are not good at network marketing it might not be your thing. However, it is a good product and if you are willing to act outside of your comfort zone to recruit more members, I would urge you to go ahead. I am a Provinet member and I can tell you that there commission structure is better than anything you have seen in South Africa and you can start earning an income from the very first member you introduce.
PM me at joan@womenatwork.co.za if you have any other questions regarding this.
Blessings
Joan
Hi chris
Did you realise how big this blog has gotten, it took me over half an hour to read all the comments, but let me tell you it was worth the effort.
I have like all of you been on the ineternet and have been looking for a work from home opportunity but as soon as they ask for money or if the deal is to good to be true I dont bother becos most likely it is a scam. So I decided to do my own thing on the net, and I am currently doing very well, it is a lot of work, all from home, but it is worth it as I can see my kids when they come home from school and I hate traffic so I will not spend any time going to work.
Like all businesses I had to work extremely hard to get to were I am and I now am very happy with the outcome. It has changed my life and that of my ex-wife, she seems to be the one that benefits the most from this venture.
Once again to those who want to work from home if you come across an opportunity that is too good to be true it probably is.
If you want to make money be prepared to work hard(not physically)for it and give it the time and attention it deserves.
thank you chris
Hi Chris,
Just to also say its a brilliant blog, just lost my job last Monday and have decided working from home is the ideal, just like so many of the comments from everybody I have also been looking for the past year or so at various internet business opportunities and been frustrated by realising all of them are scams until I also stumbled across this blog. I still have to create my own website and then I will use adsense and traffic synergy. will keep everybody posted on how I do and welcome any tips comments to help me along and agree the only way is to put in the time, well… I have lots of that right now!
Bax
Hi Bax, I’m so glad I can preent a platform for everyone to learn from, it’s so important to know which programs are scams and which ones aren’t!
hey there i have been looking for a way to make some money since i cannot find a job. i have been researching on work from home opportunities and i have looked at the ones that people have recommended but they all need me to have my own website. please if anyone can help me buy telling me how to go about making a good website. or if i can get one cheap or even for free
hey chris you have a brilliant website here. was wondering if you could help by tellimng me where i can find a cheap or even free website
Hi nolly, glad you like my blog! You should probably head on over to wordpress.com and sign up for a free blog, that would be the best way to get started..
Hello Nolly
I’m glad you asked about free websites. I’ve been doing research myself on this. There are plenty of free web templates on the ‘Net. Search Google etc. Even some SA hosting sites (if you host through them give you free templates with it). if you want to learn Joomla i.e. how to set up your webpages etc. you can go on courses. The cheapest one I found is in Jhb & Durban. (There are however free online courses too – I have the contact of a good one.)
Anyway, here is a FREE website builder which has a 70-page manual and you can also download the videos so you can watch it, step-by-step:
http://egoli8.freese.hop.clickbank.net
(You can also give it away)
I’ve also come across a fabulous site that has many templates – fully MONETISED already! .. that is your Adsense etc. is exactly where it ought to be and you can choose what programmes to build your site with. But it comes at a price.
Hope this helps.
email: opal@myconnection.co.za
I know this working from home so called “scams” does work!
I think people have comment on this before trying it, or quit trying before they have really started…
You must be dedicated in what you do, NOTHING will work if your not willing to try hard enough.
Agreed Marthinus, but, it’s great to come here and read about things before venturing forth though and not wasting time and money on something other people have tested..
Hi All,
Re:hbiz.co.za Reply from Dept of Trade and Industry in a nutshell, “Avoid it” as Joan stated previously,products they are offering are illegal as per DTI
Thanks Wayne, this is exactly the sort of thing we want people to come and share!
Hi I have been married for 50 years and just work at home. I live in the state of Wisconsin, USA. Joan Masterson
Geez Joan – you must be ancient, having been married for 50 years and all. Never knew I had a name sake in Wisconsin. Who would have guessed. The world is full of surprises…
But – if your name is Joan Masterson I will surely eat my hat…
Hi there Chris first of all thanks for the eye opener.I have also been a victim of hbiz crap!!
I have since joined The new Telecommunications company in SA.
You know what we sometimes over look the fact that we are paying out our hard earned money every month in some form or the other.We pay for the service we require to generate an income.I found a way to subsidise my monthly bill there for making more money.If you own a small company or you a MLM,you probably use your phone and internet alot.
I discovered a way to subsidise my monthly bill and it feels good to get something back.
I get rebates on my current phone bill of 20c per minute for calls i recieve from land lines and 40c per minute for calls from cell phones.
This is an excellent way to cut costs and make a risidual income for small to medium businesses,people in advertising etc,even the average work from home executive.
Feel free to visit my website for more infomation on how save 40%n on your current bill.
We all know that if you save you gain…
Regards
Laurell
Hi chris
I was so excited about you website that i spelt RESIDUAL wrong ,sorry for that.
I have told almost everyone i know that wants to work from home to check your site out first as it is sooo informative and why bump your own head if you can learn from people like me.
I was so excited tha i forgot to leave my link.
telesave@adslphone.co.za
Regards
Laurell
Hi Chris,
Thanks for a very informative forum. It saved me looking at a lot of sites that apparntly are no more than scams. I’m new to the ‘work at home’ scene and fortunately stumbled over your site early on.
I wanted to know whether anyone had any experience with Jessica Miller’s The Top 10 at home Opportunaties? The attraction of the site is that it offers several opportunaties, rather than just one kind of program.
Your input will be appreciated
Hi Johan,
Jessica’s site appears ok although one has to be careful. She also advises what programs are scams/not recommended and those that don’t work. I’ve tried the “sixfigure” income but in my opinion this is for the Americans only. I recieved a full refund within stipulated guarentee period.
Hi everyone,
If anyone is really interested in working from home I have a REAL option. My company is an internet based company and we sell all sorts of stuff. From cell phones, stationary, computers, games, tvs to coffee makers and prams. So if anyone is interested in becoming resellers or unofficial agents of our company then contact me. With us you are given a cost price and you decide for how much you want to sell the products. You can contact me at q10@mail.com i’m not giving out my business email here because I don’t want to be the target of spam
** Moderator : Please provide a URL and not just an email address.
Hi Johan
You see, the minute people mention Surveys, Data Entry, Assembly, Proofreading etc etc in the same breath as Work from Home you should close that website and RUN from it. Those are well known scams that have been on the Internet for years. And even if the person suggests another legitimate business on the same page, I would not trust them just for the fact that they have scams on the same page.
Stay away unless you want to get your fingers burnt!
Let me tell you, I have been doing business on the Internet since it started in SA and I can smell a scam a mile away. If it seems to good to be true – it normally is :) Use that as a yardstick.
Joan
Hi there Natasha
Thank you so much for bringing to my attention that i had the incorrect details down ,i really appreciate it.
here is the correct link.
telesave.adslphone.co.za
Please feel free to ask any questions.
Regards
Laurell
Hi all
Great thread
Just wanted to say thanks to all the honest people out there trying to help out their fellow man!
I am new to this whole online work scene, but what I would like to know is if so many websites and companies have been identified as scams, why are they not put out of operation and shut down? Surely what they are doing is illegal in some way? If I had to make a website allowing people to buy drugs online I’m sure it would get reported and shut down immediately and legal action would follow? Why are all these sites still operational and worst of all still allowed to receive transactions/payments from innocent people? I think it is just as bad and something should be done about it.
Regards
Hylton
Nice web site but I think you guys must specify what you see as scams. Obviously not all opportunities on the Internet are scams. I agree that most data entry, typing jobs, surveys, chain letters, etc are scams.
But there are many other opportunities which can earn you a living. The person who started this post showed you that he makes money from Adsense and Traffic Synergy. Well those also qualify as online opportunities.
I also make a living from Adsense, traffic synergy, offerforge and many other methods.
Dear folks, please do not leave links inside your posts and ask for people to visit them. The idea behind this thread was not to recruite people, but rather discuss the nature of making money online :)
Thanks,
Admin
Hi All
I also burnt my fingers in the past with a few of these work from home offers, but realy need to find some way of earning some money from home.
Chris THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK AND THE TIME YOU PUT IN ON THIS SITE – to help all of us to avoid all these scams – if I find a real way to make money I will always be grateful to you for pointing out the scams
What always amazes me is that some people “burn their fingers” with work from home opportunities yet others makes a fortune from the very same opportunities. Which let one wonder if the problem is the opportunities or the people
@Pieter – Great point. I think it lies a lot with the people. Although most of these systems are scams, the ones which do hold value rely hugely on the ability of the person to be able to market the products/services correctly and not everyone is able to market..
I will be attending a presentation on the 27 Sep of one of the work from home companies.
Propably i will have a clear understanding of what this is all about. I`m very interested in doing home business.
Mlungisi, please do come back here and tell us about the presentation once you’ve been. I’m sure all my readers would be really interested in hearing more..
Hi Chris,
I paid http://www.hbiz.co.za R230 to get started and once I received their work from home package, It was not what I expected at all.
I asked for my “100% money back guarantee” refund only to be told that I need to work for them for 6 months and have made money before I can claim my refund.
Is there any way of me nailing these scammers and getting my money back?
It’s very difficult to bust these people, the best way is threads like this, where we expose them and prevent others from dealing with them..
Sorry to hear that you had a bad experience!
Hi Vanessa,
Re: homebiz.co.za. I suggest you report them to the Department of Trade and Industry,see DTI website.Also check homebiz terms and conditions of trading.I wish you success.
Hi Vanessa, here is the e-mail address for complaints to the DTI complaints@asasa.org.za
hbiz.co.za will be on their database as complaints have been made against them already.
Wayne, great to have you onboard, thanks so much for helping me educate my readers!
Thank you Wayne. I have reported them to complaint@asasa.org.za
WAScamNet@docep.wa.gov.au
Ripoff report
I have already received response from the second one as this is an illegal pyramid scheme. Will keep in touch.
Thank you for your advice.
Hi Vanessa,my pleasure.
Hi Wayne and Chris
A quick update, he he lol.
Even though I DO NOT QUALIFY for a refund, homebiz.co.za WILL refund my money a.s.a.p.
Thanks for the great website, I’m going to try Adsense and Traffic synergy, even if it looks Chinese,lol.
Great day for you both.
Good for you vanessa, REALLY happy to hear this! Glad they are willing to refund the money, kudu’s to them for doing that.
TrafficSynergy is probably a lot easier to get to grips with than Google Adsense, so give that a go first I reckon.
Good luck!
Hi I would realy like to know is there any genuine work from, like doing admin. I dont want to become rich over night. I would love to make a decent salary from home.
Hi Vanessa,glad to hear you’re getting a refund.Yes kudus to them.
Hi Chris,
Thanks for the great Blog! It took some time to find but it was well worth the wait.
Some extremely useful feedback when contemplating one of the many “opportunities” out there.
I wondered if anyone could comment on “Sportron”. I have only attended a presentation at this stage, with training seminar to follow. They claim that their modus operandi differs from other MLM companies like Amway, Golden Products, Herbal Life etc. in that they offer a passive income in growing your own business.
I googled a little but did not see anything that suggests otherwise. Is this just another multi level marketing, pyramid scheme… or do they genuinely offer something different?
I don’t want to question the value in MLM, but as others here have mentioned, some have made money, some have not… it requires a person suited to this environment and the right conditions perhaps.
For me personally, I don’t have the time to invest and wait for a possible income – I am currently unemployed, retrenched after 18yrs in Telecommunications and then a brief 3yr stint in real estate gone bad.
I, like many others, am looking for a genuine “job” type opportunity to make a living. Technology is great, and I love computers and the internet, but it does have a tendency to cloud the mind.
So much information to absorb and sift through.
I read that adsense and synergy are viable, but don’t have a website.
I would imagine getting a website up and running PROPERLY would Cost… considering search optimization, Meta tags, pay per click advertising and all the other options I read about to get a decent amount of traffic through a website.
I am not a computer layman, but do have limited experience in website design etc. Just dabbled a bit a few years ago with Publisher and uploaded a webpage on one of those free sites. Also tried using online wizards to try and build one but seems too limited.
How much can one do with a website themselves with a little “online” self tutoring and perhaps some decent software before you have to call in the big guns?
Maybe you have a link or another thread dealing with advice on this topic seperately Chris.
Thanks
Hi All
Vanessa – good for you. I am glad you got your money back. Those people are a bunch of crooks.
Dush – if you are looking to do some admin work etc – I have just started a site for Virtual Assistants where they can learn how to become VA’s and work for themselves. If you are interested, email me at joan@vaforhire.co.za for more info.
Hi Chris and Wayne
What do you think of Project 21?
Kind regards,
Vanessa
Hi Vanessa,
I have read about Project 21 and is possibly MLM.I will do some investigating and get back to you asap.
Maybe Chris or anybody else reading this blog can throw some light on this in the mean time.
Regards
Wayne
These ones are always tricky! They do work, but they require you to basically start a whole company around them. It’s much like going into a shop, buying some products, marking them up and then selling them. The only difference is that you don’t have to outlay a lot of capital initially. I guess it mainly depends on what product/s you will be selling and whether there is a gap in the market for this product. If it’s a successful system, there will be thousands of other users, who are competitors, so your leading edge falls away slightly :/
Personally, I’m not a huge fan, unless I have experience with the product I have to sell..
Hi Chris & Wayne
I did become a member, but had a system crash down wish caused me to loose all my clients. It is listed on SCAMnet under Employment fraud : ie Money laundering.
Project 21 enables people to a 30 day free trial period which they can build their own free clientel in order to start their own business. All advertising is done on Gumtree and other free advertising websites. It does work, as I brought in 6 client in 3 days. Project 21 is free for 30 days, and costs R420 for the next 11 months. Each month the clients receive a new package. It only takes one “successfull” client to pay for your next 11 months business fees. All the other ‘successfull” clients you receive will pay you R420 into your bank account. BUT you have to pay your own taxes.
Hi Dush,
I have some real work to do from home. You can email me at q10@mail.com for more info
Project 21 – I am surprised that it is still doing the rounds. It was labeled a scam in 1998 already and people are still getting caught…
Hi Chris,
Just wondering why you guys have not replied yet to my earlier post?
Hi Dean
To answer your question – Sportron is no different to Herbalife. They also offer products that you have to sell to others in your network to make money. New wording but Same old same old. If you don’t like network marketing you are not going to make money with this, trust me.
On the other hand, the company is legit, the products are good but expensive, but if you are a people person and you can sell ice to eskimos you will do well with it :)
Thank you Joan.
I was worried at the reason why they were on Scamnet.
This is such a great site, at least this way we can discuss what works and what doesn’t.
Keep well
Joan:
Thank you for the response. It confirms what I suspected. Maybe something to consider as a sideline later on.
Can anyone shed some light on where I could find comprehensive info on all the ins and outs to building your own website.
Is it possible to do successfully by yourself with a little hard work and the correct software, or will it, in the end, always require calling on the professionals to properly optimise your site for searching etc.
Hi Dean
Why don’t you try “Freewebs” first before you start building your own website and see if your business is viable before you spend a lot of money and effort on building a website. Just google the name and you will find them.
It is very easy to use, lots of templates to choose from, uploading of files and folders, etc. and you can also upgrade and buy your own domain name from them at a later stage.
I use them in my affiliate marketing and found it really easy to use.
Squidoo, Blogger and Wordpad are also something you should look at for a start maybe.
Hope you find something you can work with.
Hi Chris
Is this a legit web-site
http://www.365jobs4u.com
Thanking you
Dush
Hi Dush
That site just screams “SCAM”. The only way you are going to get a real data entry job is if you have a real client that you either recruited yourself to do work for, or that recruited you personally to do work for them. The kind of jobs offered on this site is almost identical to those offered on hbiz.co.za.
Also, if you are a South African, stay away from sites that offer “paid surveys” – there are hardly any surveys out there that Saffies are allowed to participate in and if they do exist, they normally only offer you reward points or something – no pay whatsoever.
The only way you are going to earn something legitimately this way is if you set yourself up to deliver a service for clients like I mentioned before. Sites like these you should run from and hide your credit card! :)
Joan
Thanks Joan
Please, guys, no more scammers.
Some of us want to work from home without being pressured into paying UP FRONT.
Does any one have the BRAINS to come up with something LIGIT???????????/
I have not followed the whole story but I would make two low risk suggestions:
1) BUM Marketing – google it.
2) Do you have a passion and want to learn more. Create an AUTHORITY SITE which is just what it means – populate it with Adsense and other appropriate affiliate stuff. Once it is working properly it will generate a constant income. Understand that it will take at least 12 months. Also make sure that it is worldwide so that you get good traffic. A good blog like this one can gennerate a good income with good ads and affiliate links. thanks mike
Anyone heard of http://www.richnhealthy.net? they require R95 to get a decision pack so you can start earning money online. I am so tempted to buy this decision pack.
please advise
Yes, Cocoa, that looks like a Herbalife site. It is almost only them who let their potential clients pay for information and who are hide their business’ name.
Rich – Healthy – = Herbalife
You get to know their ads a mile away :)
Joan
HI Joan, I see you joined The Network Marketing College. Welcome to the team.
Wow! Only R95 now for a decision package. Three years ago I paid R250 for mine…
so Elsie, you paid R250 for a decision pack? was it for the same company (rich n healthy)if yes, was it worth it? r u making money?
Yes I am sure of it. Like Joan said, rich+healthy=herbalife. To be honest, I thought I would make a lot of money, I bought into this whole deal, after decision pack came business pack and a week later supervisor “deal”(this one nearly emptied my bank account)plus immediate advertising wheel and website maintenance and then the training letters and ads you had to use, all worked out for you and had to follow them to the letter.
I live in a small town and in the end my family and I used the products because nobody was prepared to pay the high prices. 6 months later and a lot lot poorer, I had to give it up.
If you really work hard and live in a city or big town, have the support of your family, are prepared to go all out (attend seminars and workshops as well)and have lots of extra cash on hand to buy the products every few months, you can make money and rise in this company, but I could not do it- maybe I am not a sales person… even though I did get a lot of support from my “mentor”
I forgot to mention, live, eat, sleep and breathe the company, but hey, I lost weight and had a lot of energy for a few weeks…lol – and also gained more experience business wise.
So I am not saying you should not do it, this is just what I experienced with this company.
Hi Chris
I am looking into affiliate marketing. I’ve found a product called profit lance which apparently teaches you the ins and outs of affiliate marketing and how to go about making money out of it. Profit lance claims to be incredibly user friendly (for people who are not internet or computer boffins, like me). However i am well aware of all the scams on the internet and am therefore hesitant that this program could be a scam as well. Have you heard of it? What is your view?
Regards,
Melanie
Melanie
You can download a free eBook showing you how to build your own money generating web site using adsense and affiliate marketing. Apparently we are not allowed to post links on here, so just click on my name above and you will be routed to the right place.
Start with the free stuff and if you feel you get the hang of it and you need more info then only start paying for knowledge.
Best Regards
Pieter
Hey people, you may not believe it but I’ve been trying to get a working internet solution for the last 4yrs to supplement my income. As you may imagine – I’ve lost a lot of money in some of these schemes. I’ve learned the hard way – from data entry to stuffing envelopes and even accessing some 10+ websites per day to generate hits!!. Though still apprehensive, am impressed with the quality of responses posted so far. I’ve visited each link above – and am convinced I’ll make a rational decision. One thing I’ve learned though is simple: nothing comes for free; even a lotto ticket has to be purchased! Good luck guys and keep it up! Cheers
Hey by saying ['...nothing comes for free; even a lotto ticket has to be purchased!...'] I meant you have to work towards a goal: invest in suitable resources e.g. PC or laptop, get internet connection, put in hours etc… just like even after buying the lottery ticket, you’d constantly watch tv, listen to radio or read newpapers for the winning numbers!
Paul, if you’ve created websites before, then I would say that you should sign up for OfferForge or TrafficSynergy..
Thanks Chris for your feedback. Am actually grappling with ideas regarding the website – content, design, ??. Hopefully I will be up and running before the end of this week. Have a pleasant week. Cheers!
Hi Melanie,
Profit Lance is as you’ve said in your mail, it has very little if any negative reviews but I would tend to agree with Pieter do as he suggests and monitor your progress, you could save yourself a tidy sum of money.
Wayne
Hi Pieter and Wayne
Thanks so much for your guidance, i will most certainly make use of it, much appreciated.
Kind regards,
Melanie
Hello
I’ve been meaning to add to a previous message regarding how to build websites without any risks and money. There is a very good FREE website builder (which I believe is top notch software) for beginners who don’t need to know html because it builds it for you in a WYSIWIG editor – plus free step-by-step videos plus 100 templates. Here it is: http://www.myfreewebsitebuilder.com
Someone suggested earlier, to also use http://www.Squidoo.com
This is also excellent as a free mini website – called ‘lenses’ by them (and you can earn some money too). Their forums and download PDF files are all most helpful – and free too.
Upon a useful suggestion by someone in another forum, I bought XSitepro (very suitable for newbies too) – it’s not a cheap programme but it stands up neck and neck with Front Page and Dreamweaver – and besides one would have to buy Dreamweaver and then possibly still go on an expensive course. it has all the tools and whistles too to monetise one’s site.
For the past few months I’ve taken this journey just as you have, and have been researching very carefully in what route to go, even with domain registration, hosting (cheapest on the net) and what type of websites etc.
Here’s also a useful free site designed for the complete newbie based on videos on ‘how to’:
http://www.website-mechanics.com
I hope this helps and that I am not spamming.
Yours
Opal
Wow. So many comments. As far as I’m concerned – “nothing ventured nothing gained”. You’ve got to get in the mix to find out for yourself. So you can listen to the synics who have only had bad experiences or you can listen to the guru’s who have made truck loads of cash online. Who do you believe?
You can make money online and you will make money online and not only through adsense and traffic synergy especially if you are willing to put in the hours. There are however programs that automate a lot of the process these days but…..you have to spend money. Pay peanuts, get monkeys.
Ultimately you want to own web real estate but you’ve got to learn the basics.
The free stuff is a good place to start and you will get a foundation but you have to pay for something, sometime to get to the real value stuff.
Adsense is the slowest way to make money online because first of all you need to learn how to find a market (niche) and then get the traffic. That could take a long time unless you are sure you are going to get x amount of hits per day from the word go.
Someone mentioned Profit Lance. Great course covering the whole foundation of internet marketing. They do say it’s an eduction and that’s exactly what it is.
My advice to anyone starting on the internet is to learn how to be an affiliate. Ask Chris, he is making good money from PROMOTING “trafficsynergy” on his site. Hence he mentions them so often. Traffic synergy is great. Nothing wrong.
I leave you with this. “give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach him how to fish and you feed him for a lifetime”
Learn, learn, learn……..and if you made a mistake and were scammed. Nothing lost but a few bucks but boy did you gain some valuable knowledge as to what not to get involved in. If you’ve got to decide between buying a loaf of bread or buying into some program to make money. buy the bread. The right time to buy into anything is………wait for it……when you can afford it!!!!!
Oh yes. One more thing. The internet is a multi billion dollar industry. You can work from home and you can teach yourself to have a small little piece of that pie. “nothing ventured nothing gained”
And you can’t rely on ONE persons opionion.
Research, research, research……test, test, test
100% Spot On Craig, especially the “nothing ventured nothing gained” part.
Adsense might be a “slow way” to get started but to me Adsense is the most stable income compared to affiliate marketing. And once your Adsense sites are running they require much less effort from your side than the affiliate side.
You’re right about the stability of adsense income Pieter it’s just that you need the traffic to make it lucrative and of course the right niche. I’ve checked your site. Nice landing page. Maybe we can JV sometime. Local is lekker!!!
PIETER, I’ve just realised who you are now. We chatted once via PM on 30DC.
HI Craig, send me an email to pieter@earnextra.co.za
Hi Peter/Craig
Have you guys heard of richnhealthy.net? its also a work from home online program??? what do u recommend for a person who has never being in this business before?
oh sorry Pieter…didn’t mean to spell your name wrong
oh sorry Pieter…
Hi Cocoa, look at the site design and the script, I am sure it is also Herbalife, their sites all look the same
Does anyone know if this “Herbalife” makes money???
Cocoa, none of them makes you money.
You have to make money using one of them.
You cannot really say that one program is good and the other not. There are people making R100,000 or more per month from Herbalife and then there are those who never makes a cent. It all depends on YOURSELF. The same opportunity will make some people millionaires and others it will make poorer. So it is not the opportunity that makes you money.
Personally I never made money from Herbalife. But companies like Herbalife do offer the some of the best mlm training.
I personally do not like MLMs with real products like vitamins, herbs, soap, etc. because the products are way too expensive. It is expensive because they have to pay commission to many people. Because the product is expensive you go a hard time getting people to join.
I prefer a MLM which offer a service where the clients pay the same amount each month by debit order. The amount they pay must be affordable otherwise it is difficult to get people to join. The commission must be good enough so that you can break even very quickly, otherwise your clients won’t stay long. Look at things like ICI, The Passive Incomes Magazine or The Network Marketing College .
Do not make you decision on the sales pitch and promises on the web site you visit.
Herbalife’s a moerse can of worms. My mother got signed up, but after a few weeks attending conferences, she completely changed her behaviour.
She became incredibly defensive over Herbalife products, and used incredibly faulty logic to justify the R20k she spend buying products to resell.
My stepdad and I did some research, and basically presented her with the hard evidence – counter-testimonials, chemical contents of Herbalife products, and the fact that many of their “exclusive products” were available at 20% of the price off-the-shelf at public retailers.
When she finally realised wtf was going on, she resold all her stock to Herbalife and made a R2000 loss (they needed “handling fees” – BS, since we went straight to the bloody warehouse). Finally, her upline tried emotional blackmail on her, asking her how she expects to “support her family without selling Herbalife products”.
Just don’t fucking go there. Ever.
Cocoa,
I have to agree with Pieter. I have friends in MLM that are making a killing but then again I have friends that have made nothing. It all boils down to effort vs rewards. What you put in is what you get out and the guys who are making money worked very hard in the beginning to lay a good foundation.
I’ve mentioned Profit Lance before because that’s how I started out. It’s not something that’s going to make you money it’s something that’s going to teach you to make money and the basic’s of Internet Market and even more than the basics. There are a few other programs but the tools are not as effective and maybe to advanced if you don’t know the basics.
You need to learn how to fish so you can feed yourself and not rely on “programs” to make money for you.
Drop me a mail and I’ll push you in the right direction if you wish. craigsdomain@gmail.com
Hi
can I please have more info regarding Adsense,I read somewhere on the net and it talked about advertising,what I don’t understand is how do you get paid from it?
Hi Mimzo,
Click Here and you’ll see all the articles I’ve written on Adsense :)
Hi Wogan
Just what I said – in other words. He he. I totally agree with you. Stay away from Herbalife unless you know what you are doing!
@Joan I’d advise people to stay away from it completely, lol.
Thanks Chris.
Can somebody please help me! I also fell for the Herbalife scam – still waiting for my refund for 3 months now – where can I complain and to whom? Cheers
Karin
Hi Karin
Who did you order your package from?
Hi
I joned Hometrade http://www.hometrade.co.za (filing envelopse and typing lables. It cost me R460 when i got my books it was merely an instructional guide as to HOW you can make money this way. They do not give you the lists, they do not give you the work. I tried to contact them many times after joining but never got through to them!!! It is all a big scam!!!!
Hi
I also bought the herbalife decision package (R250) and then spent another R700 plus on the business, bringing the total to R950 plus. I got loads of emails and phonecalls from my supervisor/upline informing me of training workshops etc. The next step was too invest in stock which would probably have costs thousands of rands. I started having serious doubts and mailed my supervisor to inform him that i no longer want to continue and requested a refund (as was promised when i signed up)on what i had already spent . Needless to say i didnt hear from him again. Luckily for me i got out before spending the serious cash, like most people who have been dissapointed by herbalife have.
Cheers,
Melanie
I meant business package
Hi Gypsey,tragic but this happens all the time.
Report them to the Advertising Standards Authority.There are previous complaints against them which were upheld by the ASA authorities. Here is a link to read the complaint/s and the ASA’s ruling http://www.asasa.org.sa/ResultDetail.aspx?Ruling=1998
or Google Hometrade.co.za, the ASA link is also there.Check what hometrades terms are regarding a refund.This crowd is operating since the 90′s maybe even longer.
I have been doing a lot of research latetly and i noticed that everyone makes it sound so easy to make money online, and if its really that simple then why are people not joining in and making money, I just don’t get it. anyway am still seraching for the right programme (if there is such) that i can use to make money online. Any other suggestionos (besides what’s already mentioned)
Cocoa, maybe it’s just your wording that i’m reading into but quite simply nothing in life just makes you money. You’ve got to work to make money. The online industry is a MULTI BILLION DOLLAR industry and thousands of people join the online game daily. The truth is, is that you’ve got to first educate yourself about the online game. It really isn’t that difficult to learn and then you choose the kinda method you want to use to make money online.
Take the real world for instance. Find a product/service then you find premises to work from then you hope for feet to come into your premises and finally you make a sale….hopefully. It’s different online and much easier.
First you find the feet/traffic, then you find the premises/website/blog etc, then you put a product to it and then you make a sale……
But you have got to learn how to do this. The online principle remains the same except that once you have a client/visitor, if your service/product/content is of a high standard they will return.
ALL OF YOU………STOP!!!! looking for a program to make you money and rather find something that can teach you to make money online. EDUCATE yourself first. Check out some of Chris’ other posts and websites. He has a wealth of information. Alternatively drop me a line and i’ll point you in the right direction. craigsdomain@gmail.com
Craig, thanks for the response, I am not looking for any easy way to make money, I just don’t want to depend on my job(which i almost lost) to bring me income. I want other way of making money so that if anything happens to my job, I am able to still stand on my own.
I was looking for business ideas when I came across this blog and I became interested in the online business, I just don’t know any people that are doing this and when i ask and tell friends about it, they are not interested and believe everything about this business is a scam… but i don’t want to have that mind set. I am still keen on trying it out.
But I have to agree with you, there is no easy way to make money, I am a very hard worker and once i set my mind on something i make it happen.
I would really appreciate all the help I can get to get started.
Thanks for all the information Craig!
My pleasure.
Dear Chris M
Thank you for your blog. Without it I might have made a big mistake and lost a lot of money. I’ve just got the internet at home and decided to make a extra buck. Luckily a found this blog and saw that the most “work from home” adds make a quick buck off of us.
I’m a stay at home mom and wish to make extra money but see now that I have to learn a little more about the net and its wonders.
I also just want to say thanks to Joan and Wayne for there information and help. Joan if you need more admin workers let me know.
To the people trying to scam us on this blog. Boo to you. Herbalife and Sporttron are products that take a lot of money to start with and keeps taking a lot of money to stay with. Take it from me I was a Smile Education Consultant and they kept on asking us to buy products to show clients and after awhile removed it of the market and now they are bust.
Warren Lake if you have so much confidence in your product why did you not mention it in your first message??????? Why hide it??
Happy searching for that perfect job?
Belinda
Hi Belinda
The answer to your question goes as follows – When I first came across the opportunity, I make a decision (based on opinion) that the opportunity was not suited to me, and in fact was not suited to anybody. This was because I did not give myself the time to get hold of the facts.
I am sure you will agree – making a decision based on opinion is not a clever way to make a decision.
Fortunately, 2 years later, I found an opportunity and followed the research process. At the end, due to the facts I had gained, I decided that it had potential.
3 Months after getting started, I left my Job as my Part-Time income was greated than my Take home pay from my job in a Courier Business. My wife joined me 18 months later.
Because I took the time to research the opportunity, I have had the priviledge of working from home for the last 6 years and 11 months – if I hadn’t looked at the opportunity again and been able to make an educated decision, I would probably still be in the corporate world, battling through the traffic every day, working on somebody else’s dream as opposed to mine and that of my family.
Does this answer your question?
Warren Lake
@Belinda
Hi Belinda – I don’t offer admin work per se, but I have a website that offers information about doing admin work as a Virtual Assistant – a type of cyber secretarial job where you work for yourself. If you are interested in finding out more about it, please email me: joan@vaforhire.co.za and I will gladly point you in the right direction. Working for yourself sure beats working for a boss and this is the ideal kind of job for people who do not want to get involved in network marketing. If you have a computer and an internet connection, the world is your oyster :)
As for network marketing – one should not bash the concept – because it works if you do it right. It is just that not everyone is suited to it unfortunately and if you are not a people person as such you will battle making a success of it. Find something you love doing and try and turn that into a moneymaker. That way what you do will never be a JOB but a JOY :)
Belinda , Should you be interested I still work
but make about R2000.00 on the side by providing interested parties with fax to mail numbers. Research has shown that a large portion of South Africans still requires this service and the beauty of it is that it is absolutely free and requires no setup.I have struck a deal with a large Company and get 20c
per minute for each fax that is remitted throughmy database. I then pay my agents 10c per fax number that they refer.The R2000.00 is after I have paid my agents. you are welcome to visit my Website at http://www.jcfax.co.za or drop me an e mail at chrisroets@gmail.com.
The trick here is to build a database as you go
along .It takes time but it is easy to give this service and it buils up all the time creating a passive income for life .
Dear Chris M
Thank you for saving me a lot of time and effort. I’m just another “work from home” wanneby mainly because I desperately need to supplement my income since my husband, who is sickly, was retrenched.
I’ve spent most of today reading thru this blog and had a whole lot of questions answered. I’m still no closer to knowing what will do the trick but at least I’ve been spared being scammed by Herbalife for 1 and Projct 21. I came that close to signing up.
I’m no fundi and very very new at this and therefore a target waiting to be zapped.
Thank you
Elizabeth
Dankie CHRIS M jy het my bas ook gered soos die ander.( verskoon as ek Afrikaans praat)
Ek is n gewese boer wat weens gesondheid my plaas
moet verhuur en ek kan nie my seun help om met dit aan te gaan nie en werk hy maar vir karige salarisie.Die inkomste uit huurgelde word te klein om te oorleef en doen my vrou troues (baie harde werk ) naweke maar sy is uiters gewild en volbespreek tot April 2009. Troues vind plaas te Lechwe Lodge, KROONSTAD en kan besoek word op http://www.lechwelodge@act.co.za Ek wil ook iets begin het op die net maar is bly ek het jul artikels gelees en sal ligloop.
BAIE DANKIE VIR JUL ARTIKELS EN WAARSKUWINGS en ek gaan gereeld op jou site ingaan–Vic
My Email adres kan jy maar wys dis annet@zedport.com as iemand graag tips vir my wil stuur baie baie dankie
Hello Guys. This has really been an interesting forum. Thanks for a great site. I think a major problem many people have with Network Marketing is that they are not prepared to put in the effort required to achieve the results.
I have been involved with a company, ProviNet for close on 2 years, http://www.my-dream-life.co.cc and I am amazed by the number of people who sign up and expect to see money roll into thier bank accounts before they even make an effort to work thier business.
Yes I do agree and understand that the structures of companies like Herbalife and their system of operation has turned many off Network Marketing. Yet Network Marketing is still a viable industry.
ProviNet has helped me achieve a truly passive income. I’m no millionaire, but the income from the business currently covers its expenses and a few household expenses. The best part is that I have yet to work hard at it.
Wake up guys. All these things are scams and that include the ones that Chris M promotes.
I would not call them scams but I would call them very difficult and highly competitive. With something like “traffic synergy” you are competing against highly skilled affiliates to try to get a commission. To do that you need extensive knowledge and a substantial amount of time. You would need a substantial amount of time and/or money to get a decent ranking for the words “home loan”, the same for “car hire”.
To do well with anything on the internet you need good RANKING – preferably the first 3.
You may ask why people promote affiliate programs – the answer is simple – they often get a commission for recruiting new members.
Abie clearly knows what he is talking about because he is an experienced internet marketer and a work from home participater. NOT!!!!
Years ago people said cellphones would never take off and now every 2nd person has one, the same applies to the internet.
Don’t knock it till you’ve tried it. And if you’ve failed at something then perhaps you didn’t give it your all or made some mistakes.
Some of work from home opportunities are scams but there are alot of legit online businesses. Affiliate programs work beyond a reasonable doubt, however you need the keywords to promote them. You can’t target keywords for your website that has hundreds of thousands of competition. Trust me, Chris is making a good bit of cash on his affiliate stuff and the reason for that is because he is getting the traffic.
SEO is complex and yet sectioons of SEO are fairly simple and can be easily done from home.
You can write articles and create links and earn good money and you don’t need to be close to the people you are working for. It is also very rewarding because you can see your results having an effect.
Hi all
I ended up here being asked by a customer to research one of these famous systems that make kazillions in a month. No matter how hard I try to tell people it’s either a scam or is going to require HARD WORK, TIME and probably more money, the more I realize how bad things really are and that intelligent people will take a chance because they are simply “raadop” It is true, people make money with the net, but we can’t all be doctors or million dollar lawyers etc., and we can’t all make money on the Net – as simple as that. My 5c worth – Stick to what you know, enjoy and what you are good at. That doesn’t mean you can’t improve yourself or learn new things, it is important that you do, but when you read that next sales letter about how easy it is, even a 5 year old can do it, listen to that voice that tells you “this is not me” or ask a 5 year old – he probably won’t fall for it!!
Why am I writing here?
I’m planning on setting up a secretarial service somewhat similar to the the va concept early next year.
Recruitment of the the pa’s was only supposed to happen after completion of the detailed business model /plan, (Jan 09), but I decided to see if anyone here would be interested in joining. You’ll be able to work from home – anywhere.
I own a franchise (brick & mortar) providing business services and running now for close on 6 years . I don’t know if I can put my URL here, but it’s only for the purpose of showing you that this is a real business and that you will be doing real work for real people. http://www.3at1bloemfontein.com
I can’t place more details here, but please e-mail me (bftn@3at1.co.za)if you are interested.
Good Luck to all
Lizette
Here you go guys. Use the net as a tool.
http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2008/11/how-to-make-mon.html
Seth Godin is a master, his writing are definitely worth following, so I’ll second Craig’s motives here.
Hi there
Have been browsing through all your comments and fully agree but also disagree. There are many legitimate opportunities and as far as networking marketing goes, I believe you need a far superior product in order to make it work. As has been said, like anything in life- you cannot expect to sit back and watch the money roll in but if you are prepared to put in a couple of hours a day, talk to people and get it rolling, many of these really do work. I would be very wary of any opportunity that asks for money upfront.
Hope you all have an awesome day
CATHI
Cathi – I agree with you, doing something and sitting back and expecting money just won’t happen, not unless you build an extremely unique and sturdy foundation.
You say there are “many legitimate opportunities”, would you care to share?
Thanks for the comments everyone, this thread is really collecting some great content!
Cathi has expressed a truth that I think many of us choose to ignore, “…like anything in life- you cannot expect to sit back and watch the money roll in…”
Our greedy and lazy natures cause us to respond to the ads that tell us thousands can be made just by signing up.
That is a fairytale and when we believe those claims we lie to ourselves. Network Marketing is still a viable industry, but like any business, it requires effort to get it going…
http://www.my-dream-life.co.cc
Louis Mulder ,i am also interested in buying the blueprints from Nick Laight’s What Really Makes Money!Is it worth it?
Felix
Hi all,
Chris has asked me to elaborate a bit but I would not like to paste any links on this site. I am involved with a multibillion dollar company with really superior products (and no- it is not Herbalife). They have been operating in the country since February but have been around for 24 years. Their products all have patents and so cannot be copied. There are no startup costs but obviously the distributor is encouraged to start using the products in order to speak from experience. The commission structures are also far superior to any others I have seen. There are FREE
SO SORRY – SUBMITTED TOO EARLY. I was saying there are FREE
Can’t believe it- lets try AGAIN!!! There are FREE business opportunity meetings/demos around the country. For any further info, you are welcome to contact me on cathi1@mweb.co.za. Hope you all have an awesome day
Hi Felix, Louis also recieved snail mail about Nick’s “What Really Makes Money” your opinion(s) on this would greatly be appreciated.
Wayne
Do you know the “The Profit Lance Automated Wealth Course” program?
Regards.
Jan.
Admin – Jan, please would you review the site here, apposed to just sending out URLs. Thanks mate!
Do Anyone got some info on Nick Laight’s What Really Makes Money?I am interested but i do not want to waste money on business plans that are not practicable
Thanks
Hi Jan
I know the course well. This is where I started my internet marketing career. If you need some feedback then drop me a mail at craigsdomain@gmail.com
Hi Felix,
I subscribed to What really makes money and there is good information there although it may not set you up straight away…alot to be learnt though..more importantly you do actually get something in return!
Hi Chris,
Great site..been through a whack of fake WFH opportunities as well so relate well. I have found something though which is going to be really big! I know this as i am in comms daily with the designers and master mind behind it all and the marketing plan is really fantastic. It is MLM with residual and SA only as the product is SA orientated with security. But heres the deal. Once you have a couple of people on, it literally self markets, not online but via cell. Also whats great there are no info packages and sign up fees etc. I dont want to expalin here, no space, but can i post my mail address for further info??
Hey Garth,
Thank you for your kind words, it’s always lovely to hear that my readers are happy and not being scammed so much anymore!
Perhaps drop me an email and let me know more about what you found and we can then think about publishing it..
What you think?
I see a lot of the things Nick Laight from “What really makes money” suggests on his site is eBay based. As far as I know South Africans cannot open an eBay account. Is that still the case or have things changed since?
Hi Garth,
Thanks for info about WRMM, I would also be interested to hear about the MLM biz opprtunity via cell, but mail Chris first and we can contact after that.
Wayne
I subscribed to What Really Makes Money just to test it and see what they suggest. I am not impressed at all. It gives you some ideas but no proper guidance to what to do. One example: There is an article about 21 “booming businesses you can start for under R1,000″
It gives you examples like Cleaning windows, cleaning cars, handyman, etc. Like under Cleaning windows it tells you “Once this business is off the ground, you could have teams of people cleaning windows for your company all over town, both at people’s houses or offices” And that is it, that is all they say.
In the same brochure on page 6 they have an article on how to make money by writing articles which is a bit inaccurate especially the part about how you can earn money from Adsense with your articles.
Hiya, agreed, a little sorry that i endorsed it also as some of the articles seem to have some fair ideas. However having got a little more into it, can’t really say it’s for me. Since then i have determined that they are charging you to market there own ideas, products etc and really just charging you for snail mailing and printing (in the internet age!). There is a unsubcribe facilty on there web and guarantee. They didnt respond to my unsubscribe yet…. we’ll see!
Hallo!
Have anyone tried out http://www.richlife.co.za/fortune?Is it a scam?
Regards
Iwan
Hiya Iwan, It’s def. Herbalife, recognize some of the pics so not a scam. You might want the info, see if it’s for or not. Hardcore sales though and not easy!
Hi Iwan
If you can take time to read through all the comments here, you will find quite a lot dealing with richlife/herbalife.
Chris!
Your forum has saved me many bucks and frustrations – baie dankie!
My story:
I decided to investigate ways “to make money using the Internet”. Being of the older generation (65+!) I decided to do my research before spending ANY money. I also know very little about things like blogs, websites, network marketing, Adsense, Google Adds, Click Bank, SEO, MLM and all these wonderful terms. Being a professionally qualified person myself I realised I needed to find a “professional” course to use as a guide to internet marketing.
My research took me 6 weeks. From your blog (and the young participants!) I gained many pointers and advice. I soon realised that marketing schemes such as Herbal Life is not for me. (Hardcore sales are tough and not easy! – Life According to GARTH). I am not a marketer and the base of the pyramids of such schemes may already be to big!
Maybe I was just lucky, but amongst all the presentations on the net I found the course I was looking for (don`t ask me how as I don`t always know what I`m doing ?) – with an 8 weeks pay back policy that is genuine (as far I could establish). I was hesitant to spend a the money, especially in these difficult times, but I did it.
I was promised that I would have to WORK HARD, LEARN, AQUIRE SKILLS and if I wanted to make a QUICK BUCK I should get off the course and forget it. I liked the approach.
This is not an e-book but a system. Also you don`t HAVE to spend additional money until you have acquired the skills (your choice). I have just started and already have websites running – provided in the course for free.
Now for the HARD WORK. I know it`s going to take lots of time for an old Ballie like me – but I can`t wait for 2009!
Internet voorspoed vir 2009!
Johan
Hi Johan,
That’s fantastic to hear, I’m glad I could assist in your venture into online marketing. One thing which is great is that there’s no such thing as making a quick buck, unless you’re extremely lucky and hit a niche market, which is getting rarer and rarer.
Please keep in touch and let me know how your venture goes, I would be really interested.
Good luck!
I found myworkfromhomepro to be a great outfit, these guys have really applied themselves to helping new members! $174 to join but when you get a sale (which they close for you) you receive $150. They use the 2up system which means that you will get $150 over and over again from the sales of other. Making money from home just got that much easier with this home business opportunity.
They supply new members with email scripts, banners, and “The Academy” designed to help you succeed. There is the FREE 10 day trial to take so that you can see what it is all about!
Overall, not a bad money making business, and it is easy!
Simon Butler
http://www.myworkfromhomepro.co.za
I signed up for MyWorkFromHomePro and so far I’m quite impressed. There are no hidden secrets and the system is very straight forward.
MyWorkFromHomePro has a wonderful academy filled with useful information to get you started and the best part is that once you sign up, everything is ready for you.
It does cost $150, but making that back takes just a few sales and then you’ll have broken even.
I think it’s worth a look!
Hi
Thank you very much for such an excellent blog, I stumbled upon it by accident and I really found it extremely useful.I am currently researching ways on how to make money via the web and this has helped me spot quite a few scams.
I am definitely going to use this as future reference.
Sure thing Irene, I’m so glad I could help you on your venture :)
Best of luck!
Interesting to see that this topic is still being discussed after all this time!!
Back in December 2007 I posted a comment here, agreeing with Cris about all the BS out there. Strangely enough I decided to try out a free system and have made over R2000 from it within the first few months. This being said… I’m not getting rich quick, and its hard work, but it actually works!! and I am going to work hard at it to bring in more passive income.
I’m not very keen on spamming a friends blog with work from home opportunity URL’s so I wont paste the link here, but if anyone does want more into then drop me an email at david@sfimga.com ;-)
P.S. Happy new year Chris, haven’t spoken to you in ages, hope all is well!!
i have just joined hbiz online due to job loss last year and after reading your page today i am seriously stressing out about it. i am desperate for work as i am a single mom of two and need to pay school fees and other things for my kids. i have applied to so many different companies and none of them have the decency to get back to a person and tell you that you are not suitable for the position. is there anyone that could help me out with a web site to work from home of something like that i was a legal typist but due to the SOB’S that i have worked for that have not paid me for what i have done i had no option but to stop working. i would be very grateful if someone could suggest any solution for me thank you so much
Hi Theresa
Sorry to hear about your problems.
I have a job opportunity that you could be interested in seeing that you were a legal typist.
You can e-mail me on gumi@telkomsa.net and I will give you more information.
The previous comment of David also suggests an income opportunity.
Hiya Theresa, tapping into the work from from home bus is tough! Been at it for a few years as well. I have some info on a local product for cell phones (not going to post here) but send me through a mail hwg@telkomsa.net and i will send you a link to have a look at. Not a quick fix or legal, but in some time the income will be enough to keep things going!
Cheers
Garth
@David – Happy New Year bud, it’s been months since we chatted, I was worried that something was not going well in your life, so excellent to hear from you. I accepted your MSN request, so hopefully we can chat. It’s interesting to see that you’re going for the work from home route, nice to hear that it’s working for you!
@Theresa – Shame hun, it’s an ongoing issue with all these scamming websites. This year I’m going to be working on a book about all of this, and will hopefully be able to get it published. I don’t want to give away too much, but it would be a book, which will help you get started and build a foundation for working from home. I’m sorry it’s not ready yet and I wish you best of luck for the year ahead – School fees are horribly expensive :(
@Elsie – That’s really great of you, I’d love to hear what comes of it and hopefully Theresa can get back on track with her life.
@Garth – Your mobile thing is a good plan, it relies heavily on the ability of a person to be able to market, but it’s a great product and if you have resources to a great product, half the marketing work is done already.
Thanks for the comments everyone, it’s fantastic to see people helping other people during this difficult period we are all facing!
Hi Chris
Since I started reading the comments on this post a few months ago, I have actually managed to start a business and with all the new knowledge I gained while looking at similar businesses, I realised that there is a lot of potential jobs out there, you just have to take time to study and then decide on a few good ones and most of all, stay focused when you made your decision.
I mentioned it before that I had all these free e-books on money making, affiliate marketing, PLR and resell rights, e-courses to build opt-in lists, etc., etc., but they were just that. I did not take time to really read and put it to the test, until a few months ago and what a revelation it was! I was sitting on top of the goldmine but did not do any digging…
In a way the time that I spend reading through everything, following links, visiting sites and signing up for a few programs, was worth it. I now know where I want to go with my internet business and 2009 WILL be my year!!!
I really hope Theresa comes back to see if somebody has given her some advice and that she will write to me.
Thank you too for this wonderful informative site and for all the people who share their experiences and advice with everybody else.
Is it ok if I say a special thank you to Joan Masterson? If not, you can delete this sentence, but this lady really knows what she is talking about!
May this year be the one in which we all become financially independent working from home.
Elsie, I couldn’t agree with you more!! Admittedly there are some bad schemes out there but there are also great, legit ways to build a passive income, just do some research, give it a try, you will succeed if you believe!
Here’s wishing everyone a prosperous new year!!
David.
just spent about 2 hrs reading thru’ this blog! Great stuff. All because I googled RICHNHEALTHY………..enuf said.Has anyone first hand knowledge of U-care (for Saffies only)I joined up after doing some serious inside out and upside down investigating and can’t fault it. Found them very upfront and seriously good at prompt replies to all my questions.Just wonder if any one has other enlightened info ( not uneducated opinions…..)that I might have missed.My ex is convinced it is a fraud……..he’s a financial advisor.
Hi Suzanne, I have to admit, upon looking at the website, I too feel that it’s not a good one, it’s got that generic feel to it, which always puts me off. However, I could be wrong, but I, personally, would not get involved on that one..
Hi Chris and everyone else on the blog!
Like most people who want to work from home, I have wasted and lost R250, thinking it was legit. I have been unemployed for a year and things are currently very tough for me and my two boys as i just cannot find any work. I want to do data capturing but see that that is the worst scam of all when being advertised to do it from home. I now got a new website to check out http://www.paydot.com, has anyone heard of it. It seems so legit but i really cannot be sure. Can anyone confirm? I am really so desperate now!! Thanks.
Hi Cindy
paydot.com is a legit company. What do you intend to do. It’s an affiliate centre. You will have to learn affiliate marketing and most of the time you need a website or blog like this Brilliant one as a vehicle. Then you’ve got to learn the basics of online marketing.
Chris is one of the few South Africans that do this well. I’m sure he can shed some light. It’s a process but if you are willing to learn and with time you will make money.
The only problem is that as South Africans you can’t access your commisions via paypal. I haven’t totally checked out paydot but some of these company’s pay by cheque. Clickbank is another good one and they pay by cheque.
Good luck and hang in there.
Hi Craig
Actually I got the website address from someone via Gumtree and clicked on it and now have noticed that it redirects me to this website my-data-team.com.
Do you know anything about them? I am really just looking to do data capturing at this time, which is what the above company is offering.
Hiya Cindy,
Agreed with Craig. Is legit but you have to have some serious online experience, usable blog/forum/website to drive traffice to them etc. All of this can cost a bit to get off the ground, more so with the learning and is gonna take time
Cindy,
I can’t say much for mydatateam. It looks like another, dare i say it, “scam” but don’t hold me to it. I personally wouldn’t go there.
Why don’t you advertise yourself as a freelance data capturer? Charge an hourly rate so you ultimately work for yourself.
Agreed, really dont like look of that either. Why a gumtree add anyway? Must have affiliate properties also. By the way the SCAM X logo on the bottom holds VERY LITTLE ground
This is something a lot of people miss – when it comes to most of these programs, they are legit and people earn a nice amount of money monthly from them, but there’s a problem and let me compare to a real life example instead of a whole lot of online jargon.
I live in the city and I have bought a store on a good street in order to start a business. Now, some people will see it from the road, but others won’t. Now, the first thing I need to decide is what am I going to sell or offer? I could go to shops like Makro or Game and look for products and then order them in bulk to get a good discount. I can then place the goods in the store and hope people buy them. Ok, with online, at least we don’t need capital, but, to get people to buy the goods, it’s all up to marketing. Now, not everyone can market and marketing isn’t free, a good sized budget is needed to market. This is the same for online marketing, you can find a product or a service to resell, but then it’s completely up to you to do all the marketing and it’s harder online. Offline you could print fliers and paste them around the streets, online it’s a little tricker, it’s more about making lots of little websites and then “pasting” them into search engines. Like a busy street which sees lots of people, you need a busy keyword which sees lots of people and in order to do that, you need good SEO experience, which most people don’t have.
It’s a big problem with working online and trying to earn a living or supplement an income. I earn a 5 figure amount per month working online on systems like these and so forth, but I have 10+ years of experience building websites and I work full time as an SEO, so I have that knowledge. Whereas, I assume most people starting out won’t know how to make a website, let alone get it online and if they get across that hurdle, how on earth do you put it in Google, Yahoo and other search engines?
I worry for all of you who are trying to do this, because it’s not easy at all and these systems don’t teach you properly.
That said, I’m working on something over the next several months, which I hope is going to change all of this and will give everyone a chance to get a website, put it online and learn the basics of how to go about making some extra money.
I’ll publish my information as soon as it’s ready and will probably run a competition to give it away to a couple of you to try out :)
Stay posted! Thank you for all the comments, it’s amazing to have a thread so jam packed with fantastic information :)
Hi again.
That sound really interesting.
If you need anyone to test anything out for you you can always email me. I am a student so I also have slightly more time on my hands.
Also I am still searching the web and reading up on it. What do you think about http://www.thesitewizard.com. That guy seems to have some really good information on how to get things started.
Thanks.
Irene
Hi Irene,
Thank you for the offer, it’s going to be a while still, but I’ll remember, don’t you worry :)
The Site Wizard is a pretty good resource. I’ve seen the site before, but not explored it entirely. One needs to be careful of locations, if the author is in the US, then his information might not apply directly to South Africans, and so forth. A simple thing like this could become a problem after investing a couple weeks of reading and what do you do when you run into a problem a few weeks down the line. I’m not saying this is a sure case, and I’m sure most of his information is relevant, so reading and learning will never harm you!
Keep well and enjoy the reading :)
Chris
Thank you for your kind comments on 31 December 2008. You asked me to keep you informed about my progress with my course/system which I enrolled for. I will try to do that regularly. But – let me support you in your latest remarks – it is hard work (especially at my age where my short term memory tends to fade). Now where was I. .? Um aa – Oh yes. Hard work – and I can never match your 10 years of experience. But by the time I`m 70 I will have a few years experience!
It is possible to learn the techniques of on line marketing. BUT – be prepared to invest not only time, but also money. Budget at least R900 to start, find a good course/system and work at it. Budget at least another R500 for the next 3 months and don`t expect any income within this time frame. After 3 months – maybe? As Chris says – its all about marketing – but only after you have found your special niche. For experience, start a simple blog – this can be done for free. At least I have been able to do that in my amateurish way and learned a lot (if I may Chris – see http://blogkickstart.blogspot.com).
If you are serious – kickstart with a free blog. If the Old Ballie can do it, you can! It is also clear to me that from this forum a lot of advice and support can be gained – so use it.
Hi all,
I have been doing my research on the online business, and came across “autopilots”, any one heard of it?
HI,
Thanks for all the input, there really seems to be a lot of “get rich quick”- owner schemes, they seem to get all the payments upfront, and deliver O back. Thank for all the time you have put in to help “stupid” people who do not have money, and need money, not help enrich these “skelms”, I hope that these “scam owners”, will get there due.
Regards
Mary
HI! CHRIS M
WHAT A INFORMATIVE SITE YOU HAVE HERE,I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS ANY INFO ON “WHAT REALLY MAKES MONEY”.I’M ABOUT TO REGISTER AS A MEMBER,IS IT WORTH WHILE.
THX
NEVILLE
I subscribed to it and I think it is not worth what you are paying for it. The material is not comprehensive and is not of much help. It tells you what you can do to make money but does not tell you how. I am about to unsubscribe again.
Another thing is that you pay for the info but then they also bombard you with more offerings all the time.
Rather take your money and buy Pieter’s eBook at http://www.passive-income.co.za . He gives you much more info.
Hiya Neville, agreed with John, you actually paying money to be marketed to really. At first i was a little impressed, but the stuff followed after wasn’t great.
Unsubbed also
Can South Africans sell on eBay?
As far as I know you can register for eBay but in order to sell you need a PayPal account and PayPal do not accept South African accounts.
That’s an interesting question John. I don’t see why not, I guess it boils down to the whole banking thing, we can’t have PayPal accounts, so how would money get transferred to our accounts? EFT’s are too expensive when coming from overseas..
Seems like PayPal is the only way to accept payment on eBay and if you cannot have a PayPal account you cannot accept payments. But I see “What Really Makes Money” suggest using eBay as one of the ways to make money?????
I do not know what PayPal’s issue is with SA banks. Why can we then have Clickbank and Moneybookers accounts and not PayPal. I think PayPal is just about the only one who do not like South Africans.
John, it’s not that you can’t have a paypal account it’s just that you won’t really be able to access the cash that gets paid in there. You can inturn just use the cash in paypal to pay for other things online.
It’s not that paypal don’t like south africans it’s the sa banks that have issues filtering money out the country via your paypal account. Clickbank pay by cheque which you can bank in your sa bank account.
Perhaps if you’ve already signed up for “what really makes money” you might want to test if you can and are making money on ebay with your paypal account. If it works then you need to be creative about accessing your commissions from paypal. If it doesn’t work then you’ve lost nothing but have a paypal acc to pay for other things.
Hi Chris
I wanted to learn more about Making Money On Line, found your forum last year and studied ALL the comments – this helped me to avoid the many scams out there. Eventually I bought the Profitlance Training System on 28 December 2008 for close to R900. Previously (31 Dec 2008) you proposed that I provide occasional feedback, so here goes:
There is an 8 weeks pay-back gaurantee but I am keeping the product. WHY?
As a complete newbie, I have now seen that there is an awful lot to learn and apply. I am doing the theory and gaining a working knowledge of how to make money from the Internet. I am also doing the projects provided in the course. I have started a blog for a test, published an article at Ezine and elsewhere; I have up to 15 sites running as set up for me automatically during the course, I have activated Adsense and Clickbank; I have learnt to do hunt for keywords and do niche research; registered at social sites; etc, etc.
I have not yet registered my own domain(s) and created my own websites as this will mean additional moola. I have not made any money yet. Of course I have also picked up a lot of additional useful knowledge from the internet (such as from your sites!).
Hard work? YES!! Patience? YES!!
I have put in 197 hours of work at the computer since 28 December 2008. At 8 hours per day that is nearly 25 full days.
As you know too well the difficult part now is to generate traffic to the sites I was
presented with. Using the techniques described in the course I should succeed.
Critisism? Of course, but I will leave that for a next time. In the mean time I am enjoying this and I can recommend the course/system to anyone who is serious about
acquiring the right skills to EVENTUALLY make money on line.
Making a quick buck – forget it! Rather invest in a proper training system and learn the many skills required to make a success.
John & Graig
About Paypal – Graig has made a very good proposal. Would like to know the results should anyone do the test!
Johan, that’s absolutely fantastic in my opinion, learning the skills is the most important part and you seem to be doing that.
A lot of my mentors often said to me “skills first, money second” and it took a great deal of self control to do that.
Once you start moving onto your own websites, that’s when things will start moving.
I’m busy working on a system, which will hopefully teach everyone how to do all of this, from the very beginning all the way to the end – I’ll let you know once I’m there.
Anyway, thanks a million for coming back and adding even more value to this thread, I hope others will benefit from this as well!
Keep going, I’m sooo glad to hear your feedback!
Chris
Your comments give me the feeling I am on the right track!
You also previously made the following comment (see Jan 8): “Whereas, I assume most people starting out won’t know how to make a website, let alone get it online and if they get across that hurdle, how on earth do you put it in Google, Yahoo and other search engines?” These are typically the things I am learning in ProfitLance – and much more.
A criticism of ProfitLance and similar courses is that they are USA orientated – of course, because that must at present be the biggest English market. Often I must try to adapt what I learn to SA conditions.
That is why I am really looking forward to YOUR PRODUCT which I hope will present local solutions in terms of the global set-up!
hi Chris
Thanks for the infor, it has been an eye opener for me, am short of cash at the moment, i was abt to joint one of this richlife scam, thank u so much, i will keep tuning in, there so many questions still to ask u, thank u to u all. Amo
Hi chris: I am a new-comer on the side yet find so much intresting information and from all other members on this site.
Few days ago I subsribed to What really makes money and I have not yet got a respond.Can u tell me How do I unsubscribe quikly cause what I learnened so far is to be very carefull.
I rather stick to familiar siets and people that of mzinsi4Sure….
Hi Mamzo, unfortuantely I can’t easily tell you how to unsubscribe. Perhaps look out for the next email they send you and then look at the bottom of the email for an ‘unsubscribe’ link..
Hiya use this mail address, wrm@fsp.co.za to unsubscribe from wrmm.
(Hope it was ok to post that chris??)
Cheers
All good :)
Hi Chris,
I first of all want to thank you ALOT for your blog that I stumbled upon, when I wanted to find out more about http://www.hbiz.co.za. I immediately saw your link and came upon your blog. I’ve read a few posts, and are REALLY interested, but are TOTAL NEW to this venture!!!
Does one have to have a website running to make your first $ online? Where can I start?
Thank you
Hi Chris and hi to all, i am glad as well to have come across this website, i work full time for a well none company based in JHB for 18 months, this is my first job in this country, i came from Moz and i am married to SA, i am pregnant and i am going to have my baby in May, i have beeing paying uif for all this time, to now have found out that i wont be getting the benefits from the uif when on maternity leave that will be 4 months because i dont have SA citizenship, how unffair!!
i really am worried to how we will overcome our
bills during this 4 months, i dont know how to create my own website so i could try the absense or traffic synergy, maybe i can ask my my husband to help me, but please explain more in detail what to do exactly there and how.
please help!
Hi Riz, I am also completely new to this but at least I have started a blog as an exercise for myself. On this site I have step by step instructions to start a blog for free – and also a video. Click on the face in the top left corner of this message to get to the site.
Good luck!
Hi all, is there anyway that Tammy can contact me? She posted on 5th August ’08 and it seemed like she had a good experience with Wealthy Affiliates, and I would really like to chat to someone that has. Or anyone else? Please?
Thank you
Thanks Joan, will give it a shot.
Hi Chris!
I think that just from the responses that you have had (umm, over 2 years worth) to this dilema, it appears that perhaps in addition to your existing on-line marketing business….you should start a business offering work-from-home opportunities
All legitimate of course!
KG.. I’ve been thinking about it to be honest. Starting a website and running an academy per say..
Does any body knows the Homebiz Group (South Africa)?
Hi Ann
Yes – BIG scam. Run, don’t walk away from it!
If you are looking for something do from home legitimately in the line of secretarial work etc, you can learn at my website how to do so. Just click on my name above and it will take you to the website. When you get there just download the VA FAQ guide from the entry page.
Good luck :)
Joan
Hi Guys! I have been following this blog for a year now! I have joined a program that I actually got paid out! It states that you join and do nothing. Well you actually just put in like 5 minutes of work a day and socialise with the other members. I was very sceptical at first and I am a bit still. But I atleast have been paid over $300 for my measily $10 investment. I joined in October and was only paid now the end of January. Its definitly not a scam but it takes awhile to get the cash in your hands. I would recommend it to anyone who has no experience and patient to wait atleast 2 months to get a return on your investment.If anyone is interested I will post the link.
Ok Johnathan, what is it, spit it out, let’s have it.
Can you give us a link?
I’m also curious. Please do us a favour and share a NON affiliate link please Johnathan..
Hi Jonathan,
Well done, please share with us. Thanks.
Hi Guys! There is an affilliate program at this site but I dont use it as I am not good at marketing. The site is http://www.cashflowbot.com. If anyone does join or would like more info I would be happy to help. I honestly do not know how this company makes money to pay out there members but I have been paid! Because honestly…U really do nothing on this site to make money.If anyone joins best of luck! It was $9.95 when I joined this program back in October but its $14,95 now. There have been so many updates to this website since I have joined and it looks good.
Interesting Jonathan, let’s hope someone can come and give us some advice!
HI Johnathan. Looks interesting but always a little suspicious when you dont know what it is and getting money on top of it!. Have you been able to draw the money from the account to SA? Curious cause the site and the one payment site look like same guys? (not confirmed)
I have an alertpay account. They paid the money into my alertpay account and then Alertpay pays straight into my bank account.
Nice!!! Might just give it a bash..
Hi Jonathan
Can you she more light as to how that program works.
Hi guys
Enjoying your comments here, very interesting!
Found a nice informative site on offerforge. great affiliate program for south africans
i got paid R202 last month Woo-Hoo!
Nice work Gerald!
hi all
I’m completely new to the whole e-biz world,and have learnt alot from the comment here
I have a question though, this might be a little off the topic – does anyone have any experience with moneybookers, how long does it take to withdraw money from them into my bankaccount?
I love gambling online, and have made successful deposits and withdrawls from the casino’s but i’ve never withdrew money from moneybookers to my account
any comments would be appreciated!
Thanks
They obviously as all programs have an affiliate program(which I am not interested in). Then they set-up a website for you similar to theirs and if someone joins from your site, your account will be credited. They show you how to advertise but adwords can be costly. Then my favourite…They have a money cycler. You put money in it then your money doubles after a certain number of days. Max has been 5 days for me. Apparently risk free. You can either deposit money into your account or you can use the balance in your account(made from affiliate or sales income) to put in the cycler. OR what I have done for a member that I signed up. Members can send each other money from there account balances, so I just sent him some money in my account then he used it to double it in the cycler.Then he paid me back. The only thing about this site as said before is that it is slow on withdrawing money from your account. I have quite a big balance so I dont mind helping people out as I know I cant withdraw all the money. You can only have one withdraw at a time to a max of $2,500. Hope that helps. I also looked at this site http://www.3900income.com anyone tried it? And I almost signed up for that pushbuttonextreme.com and saw on google how people complained about it. Best of luck to everyone.
I’ve joined Generosity through prosperity! You donate R150 and hope you get it back!! Got R500 in over two weeks!!! Hope to get more
Great site thanks….what a mission to sift through the Internet mire to find something genuine where one can make some money just to manage and be content. No need for a fortune.
It’s my pleasure, glad I can provide some good information :)
Here is a way you can start your own online dating site and profit from it. The site is rather easy to setup and it is almost free. All you have to pay for is for the domain registration.
Have a look at
http://www.worlddatingpartners.com/
OK so I have gone through all this info…at the end of the day what does it come down to?
I could help noticing that Pieter’s post on the dating site originally had the link as
XXX and now it has been changed to the worldating link. Is it general practice to change users’ comments to suit the blog owner?
Hi! Everybody
Anybody heard of me2everyone.com,is this a scam
or the real thing.To join is free and they give you virtual free shares, refer others and your shares grows
Don’t worry John, I also noticed it. I guess the owner just do not want others to make money from his blog.
I do not like calling anything a scam unless I investigated it properly, but in this case I would not get too excited about the promise of all these shares. I might be wrong but seems fishy. It reminds me of previous sites with a similar concept. In the end they use it to harvest email addresses and then sell it again.
But I mean, it is for free so you have nothing to loose, it does not hold a financial risk to you, but personally I would not spend my valuable time on it
@John, it’s quite simple, this thread was not created for people to come and plop affiliate links. As much as I appreciate the information that was being shared, it still linked to an affiliate program. Secondly, the reason the link was changed, was because worlddatingpartners.com is a direct link to a website, which then allows you to sign up as an affiliate, thus avoiding any users signing up under other users.
If the author of the comment is interested, he can write up a comment here explaining exactly what the system is that he uses and then place a link, but the information stays on here.
It’s as simple as that.
Neville
IMHO if they tell you that you can make money by joining for free there is something up. How can they make money if you don’t pay anything? I mean think for yourself. Half of nothing is still nothing. Or like the one teacher used to say to her pupil – if you multiply f*all by f*all you still have f*all – get the picture :)
Its amazing how many people fall for stuff like that all because it is “free”- believe me – you pay in some other way. Either they use your email address to send you more junk offers or they sell your address to safe lists etc.
I would give place like that a wide berth…
Hi everyone
Joan I could’t help laughing when I read your response to Neville especially the “teacher pupil part”.
I guess as per the discussions on this blog some time back and as per Chris and Joan’s and many other fellow bloggers here the fact is whether you go electronic or you are out there punting in the streets nothing comes for free. Nobody is going to give you money, you have to earn it. Its the ole “survival in the jungle” thing. Who ever heard of a lion giving a gazelle some grass to eat!?. The wakeup call is its survival of the fittest. The good news is if you are cunning imaginative and put effort in rewards will come.
Well said Joan. It is a pitty that it mostly is the “free”, “quick buck” or “do nothing for something” concepts that draws the most attention.
Hi Jonathan,
Re: cashflowbot.com
With regard to your Alertpay acc, is it a personal or business acc?
Regards
Wayne
Hi I am looking for something to do on the side just an hour or so now and then even daily…has anybody come up with anything legit? Seriously I want nothing major just a few extra rands to pay for my DSTV and movies and give my elderly dad some spending money. Any ideas? I dont really want to set up my own big business as my current job is hectic or maybe this can lead to something later…
Hi Wayne.
I use a business account but a personal pro account should also be fine as both accept credit card payments.
Thanks for all the comments everyone, keep them coming, this really is turning into a fantastic resource!
Hi Marty, I have a brilliant idea for you. Why don’t you go to http://www.blogger.com and register yourself a free blog account. Start a blog about a topic which will attract a lot of visitors. Then apply for Adsense and use Adsense and affiliate links to make money on your blog.
As you can see from this blog you do not need to know much about the topic. You can just add comments like “All good :)”, ”
It’s my pleasure, glad I can provide some good information :)”, etc when somebody reply with useful information.
This way you actually get other people to build a useful page for you. You leverage other people’s knowledge and time and YOU profit from the blog. See, you do not have to say much yourself, you just profit from the sales from the affiliate links on your site.
This blog is a very good example of that.
Hi Jonathan,
Thanks will try this one and let you know how things progress.
Regards
Wayne
Hi Marty
yes, a blog is a good thing. But you need to know what to blog about. Some people are making good money with this method. Go to Google Trends (http://www.google.com/trends) select a topic that lots of people are searching for – then go to blogger.com – make a blog called hottrends or something in that line ( that name is probably not available but you can name it something hottrends101 or something) then just repost some of the hot topics that you got off google trends. You definitely need Adsense, some CPA banners etc. Your blog will get traffic in no time at all. Do that on a daily basis and I can almost guarantee you will make a few $100 extra a month :)
Blessings
Joan
Good advice Joan. By the way how is your Virtual Assistant going? I have heard good things from your business from some of my regulars.
Marty another good way to find a niche is to go to http://freekeywords.wordtracker.com/
When doing a search use “trigger words” when doing a search for popular terms. These “trigger words” can include words like learn, training, instruction, tip, tutorial, help, how to, buy, order or play. Just add one of these words in one of the search pages mentioned above and you will see which phrases are in high demand.
TIP: If you click on the names of the people who offer real valuable comments on this blog so far it will take you to their web sites where you will get real information.
I have been looking for a way to make money online for almost three years. just recently I joined website that teaches you data capture…what a complete waste of my 275 bucks. All it teaches you is how to place classified ads on the web and get other people hooked to this crap…so far i have seen no results after placing dosen a ads…
Capitalising from other peoples problems should be serious crime…I want a work from home opportunity and now I just dont know where to turn…
Hey I just want to know one thing about the Google Ad sense please?
The cheque you recieved from Google, can I trade it in at ABSA or must I go to CITI Bank?
I know this a weird question but have to know :P didn’t recieved my cheque yet and btw I’m also Mountain View XD
Hi Chris
Wow, I see so many people got caught like I did. I paid to type from home and was told to post ads to get people to pay to type from home too. I also paid for a “website” which would automatically generate income for me and I got nothing, not even R1.00 back!
I am not skilled enough to create websites and ad adsense and all that, I tried that too, but never got enough traffic. Also cost me hundreds, but nothing.
The only thing I ever made money with was GDI. It is MLM – which as we all know can be scary depending on the products etc, but my other company really needed an affordable website so when I was approached by a friend of mine to join and I got a website for $10.00 per month / R100.00 now and I was able to build it with the web builder and everything myself cause it was easy, it seemed ideal.
I receive cheques from America too, but it took me having to tell/email friends and family about it and doing a bit of internet marketing to get some people in my “downline”, but now I am making a second income and I hope to grow it because it’s residual (repeated). I will earn for as long as the people in my downline are still using the service. I get $1.00 per month per customer/ referral sign-up for 5 levels deep. So if you sign-up 10 people who go and sign-up 10 people each, who sign-up 5 people each who sign-up 5 people, who sign-up 5 people then you will have 12500 people in your downline, you will earn $12500.00 every month. I am only on my 3rd level now, but it’s growing and I am trying to help others to grown theirs so I can earn more. It’s like, people helping people, helping people. It’s nice and most of us use the websites we pay for, for other things.
But as much as I have been scammed I can say that the GDI has made up for it.
I am happy to give anyone interested the link to the presentation so they can see what I am talking about and if it would interested them – because for me, helping others, means helping me too.
Kind regards
Candice
Hehehe, I actually got my calculation wrong, you have to add each layer together. So you would earn $10.00 in the first + $100 in the second + & $500 in the third layer + $2500 in the fourth layer + $12500 in fifth layer = $15610 per month. I always get this confused! But I hope it helps others understand.
So as you can see, this one isn’t a scam, just a nice opportunity for people who want to earn more money, but must be willing to tell/email others about it. Plus the website alone is a bonus.
The cheque should already be converted to ZAR if you selected the option in your control panel.
I use FNB and StandardBank without any problems. FNB just lost three of my cheques in one year but after I switched to Standard I had no further problems.
ABSA should take it as it is a normal South African Rand cheque.
Hi Candice, I clicked your name and checked out your site.
GDi is brilliant. It is a brilliant concept and their tools are out of this world. Especially in today’s world the need for each person to have their own web site grows by the day.
The main objection I get from people is that you can now a days get hosting at $5 per month, so why would they have to pay $10 per month. The $10 was fine 8 years back when they started, but hosting became cheaper and they did not keep up with their price.
But on the other hand with a normal $5 per month host you do not have the unlimited earning potential like you have with GDi.
GO FOR IT. The fact that you got started and are already earning something put you one step ahead of everybody else.
Hi Pieter
Thanks, it’s nice to get good responses about something you’re doing and not skepticism, like I got when I tried so many other opportunities.
I realise they are a bit more expensive on the hosting side, but like you said, you don’t earn every month with other hosting companies like DOT5 hosting. You can earn with DOT5, but only once off and their websites are hard to build.
Thanks for your response.
Candice
Hi again Pieter
Well as funny as life will be, after chatting about GDI I decided to talk to someone in my upline and see how they are going – I have never made millions with GDI but enough to cover the monthly costs and pay some extra bills or have some extra cash. Well, to cut a long story short, I asked him how his GDI was going adn he said, well but it never turned out to be huge, just very good. But he has recently come across a South African opportunity that was started recently and his team grew from 3 and has just surpassed 400 members in 7 weeks! It’s funny how life is, just when you thought this is the best it’s ever gonna get (GDI) you stumble across something else.
Well if you know of anyone looking for a purely South African opportunity for South Africans only – an excellent product is now available that every should have for their own safety (no, not a tazer or pepper spray hehehe) then send them my way and I will help them to help others, to help others and so on and so forth!
I am so glad I came across this Blog today, it started something new for me.
Kind regards
Candice
Hi again Pieter
Well as funny as life will be, after chatting about GDI I decided to talk to someone in my upline and see how they are going – I have never made millions with GDI but enough to cover the monthly costs and pay some extra bills or have some extra cash. Well, to cut a long story short, I asked him how his GDI was going adn he said, well but it never turned out to be huge, just very good. But he has recently come across a South African opportunity that was started recently and his team grew from 3 and has just surpassed 400 members in 7 weeks! It’s funny how life is, just when you thought this is the best it’s ever gonna get (GDI) you stumble across something else.
Well if you know of anyone looking for a purely South African opportunity for South Africans only – an excellent product is now available that every should have for their own safety (no, not a tazer hehehe) then send them my way and I will help them to help others, to help other and so on and so forth!
I am so glad I came across that Blog today, it started something new for me.
Kind regards
Candice
Hi Smartcandi, GDI is similar to http://www.3900income.com if you want to check, also would you mind sharing the purely South African opportunity with me, would like to follow up.
Thanks
Wayne
Hi Candice, you are probably talking about he 911 cell phone business. Although I am not personally involved in it I know the people who started it and it looks like a sounds business. What I learned from my buddies up north (Gauteng) is that it is very popular.
I suggest ones you signed up you post some more details and add your unique URL to your details when you post. That way people can just click your name and it will take them there.
Has anyone tried yourpersonaljackpot.com. Its apparently a week old.Its where you buy a position and your money cycles. I joined last night for $35 and this morning I have made $2.24 not much but lets see how it goes. If it goes well I might buy more postions.
Hi Everyone
Sorry for the delay in responding, just been a hectic day, the heat in Cape Town is crippling 38 degrees!!!
You can view the opportunity by clicking on my name. Yes Pieter it is the Home911 and it’s very popular, not one person I have spoken to about it so far hasn’t been interested.
It’s fantastic, already have people signing up as we speak.
My sponsor’s team grew to 400 sign-ups in 7 weeks, he’s earning an R3000.00 per month already (every month) it’s re-occurring.
Please check it out and tell me what you think! The earning potential is 10 times that of the American GDI program I did. I can see that I will be earning the type of money it took me 4-5 months to build with GDI within 4 weeks with Home911.
Regards
Candice
Hey Candice, Nice business. Now thats it picked up from start, its starting to get cred as well! Stick with it, you will do very well from it in a little while! It’s a great product an i’ll put money on it that most of SA’s urban areas will be using it!
Garth
Are you a member too?
I personally have to say that this is all just too exciting, I am almost out of my skin. I have had such a good response from it.
Let me know
Candice
Absolutely am a member… :)
Hi Garth
How have you found it to date?
I think it has explosive potential! I used to think GDI was as good as making money part-time would ever get, but I was really shaken up with this opportunity.
It’s great, headed up by an awesome guy as well. The product is fantastic. Consider how much is spent on security in SA and thats what makes it great, the MLM pay out structure is a bonus! It would have sold itself eventually, the fact there was opportunity to make money out bonus! By far it is the best SA structure and product. I have been involved in a few, investigated a few, do adsense, affiliate, done Herbalife etc etc, none compare with the potential reward and the structure behind it..
Wow you sound like me…. I tried almost everything and this is also the first time that I have found something that is just taking off without me having to pressurise people into taking it…. they want it, then I offer them the income opportunity.
It’s really awesome. Well who knows, maybe we will meet one day in the future when they hold a meeting or something, it’s just a matter of time before that happens :)
Have a great evening
Candice
Hi Jonathan,
Would you mind letting me have your contact details, need to discuss something with you.
Enjoy your day.
Wayne
You know having had a look at that me 2 everyone, it could very well be one of the best market campaigns ever seen. I believe it has far more value if it is legit in the long run than in short and a scam. I think it will overtake facebook… bit optimistic re there share value… but i guess alot of people would have said that re Microsoft :)
Garth, how do you know they will be bigger than Facebook, what will make them so special.
Do a search on Google for “bigger than Facebook” or “the next google” and see how many other businesses had the same ambition.
It might be, it is not impossible, but me2everyone is not the only ones who thinks they will end up bigger than facebook.
Hi! Everybody
I got an e-mail from someone about Fapturbo.com,had a look at it,info on it is a bit unbelieveble , do anybody have any info on them please..
Thank you
Neville
Hi Wayne. I dnt want to place and email on the forum and not sure how to contact you otherwise, maybe you can just ask me a question here. have you joined that cashflowbot site yet?
Hi Jonathan,
Can you send your contact details to 0832618201
Regards
Wayne
Hi Chris.
Cant you archive the older items, where newcomers to your blog can pick it up? It is a fantastic blog, but the page is to long.
Good day Guys
Have been coming to this site so many times and trying stuff on the other side. I found something that works and is offline. Last year I joined these guys. I have been scammed so many times and this time I I thought let me give it a try as it is not that of a bigger money to join. I only spent R180.00 and signed my three downline in a month’s time, I helped my downline to sign their downline as quickly as possible, and now quess what after four months I circled out and I got my R298,890.00. If anyone has heard of 2X2 Prosperity Plan and thought it is a scam, no it is not, it is working. I have joined again this time the joining fee is only R190.00 and you circle out with R2 million. I will work harder than I did previously. Need to know more mail me at Mendephyla@yahoo.com. I have done my reasearch, I have already spoken to Mr Ron, the owner, I called DTI and FSB. I am on the roll here. OFFLINE I said.
Good day friends, once again I’d like to thank you all for your wonderful comments on my website – it means so much to me to know that I’ve provided an interesting forum for a good chat.
The South African Blog Awards have come around again and I’ve been nominated this year – I need your support – Please would you vote for me by visiting this link and following the instructions – http://www.imod.co.za/vote/helpvote.html
Once again, thank you all for your support!
@Jan – That’s not a bad idea, I’ll see what I can do for you mate :)
Hi Candice
Are things still going well? I am interested. Thanks
Hi Smartcandy
Are things still going well? I am interested. Thanks
Hi tere all the people that was scammed and the lucky ones that made some money.
I read all your comments and I must agree there are a lot of people out there that won’t
feel a thing sceeming you out of your last few rands. I have been there and they promise you instan riches with doing almost no work. Bull. there is no such thing as making millions by doing no work. If there was why sell this info and not keep it to yourself?? I tried Fleetstreet publications where you actually pay them a monthly subscription to send you “spam” and just want to make more money from you trying to sell you get quick rich scheems. I bought one and it was so vague I could not understand what was going on and promptly cancelled my subscription. I bought Pieter Pretorius’s Ebook and I must say it is not a scam. He is honest and it is going to take some time to make some real money. You first have to do a lot of reading to familiarise yourself with all the ins and outs of making money with the internet. There is realy a Legio of ways, all legit, but don’t just jump in and think you are going to become a milionare over night!!
A while ago while I was surfing the net I came acros another way of making a few bucks. It is called Be Motivated Today and it is brilliant!!
You actually get something for your money and it is something all of us can use. No it is not a Piramid sceem where you buy products at an inflated price and have to flog it. Go and check it out at http://www.BeMotivatedToday.net
They give away a lot of free ebooks that you might use for something else on your way to making extra money.
May we make heaps of money and expose all the frauds out there.
Hi Marty
Yes, it is going well. Are you also with HOME911?
Kind regards
Candice
Hi Candice
No I am not. Have you realy made money? But I am really not keen to go and sell stuff to friends. Is that what you do?
Greetings
Marty